My last post?

It's hard to believe that you care about the little guys. I've seen you heavily upvote plenty of garbage and circle jerk other witnesses on bullshit post. I've been around since the Steemit days and have posted hundreds of blogs with original content and have never received an upvote from you. I'm not saying the other dude is in right, but I don't believe for a second that you care about the little guys.

OK ... so, I was pulled in only this January because Xeldal started voting up and you started voting down, and I appreciate the context of your side of the issue. Thank you for sharing. I come down hard sometimes, but I try to be fair, and in fairness, I see what you have been trying to do.

Yet you do realize, as a highly intelligent person, that as long as you are DVing people who CANNOT know this history, you are going to be backed into the bad guy corner, right? I'm not going to stop writing. @xeldal is apparently not going to stop upvoting. In a bear market, those upvotes are especially welcome to MANY, and AGAIN, everyone Xeldal upvotes is not spam. I'm not. You know that. But I get it; you are doing your best to keep someone you feel is supporting spam from growing. Yet in expanding these DVs outside ACTUAL spam, you have made the decision to introduce yourself, NOW, to dozens if not hundreds of people as one who takes potential resources away from good content in a time in which people truly need all they can earn. I care enough to read and understand better, but I also have the luxury of sitting in a home that's paid for, with plenty of basic resources at hand.

@xeldal, I have read your posts from way back -- you also are a highly intelligent person. You also have an opportunity here to stop this madness that is hurting people that are not spamming and should not be involved in this matter. Just how much is it worth it to you to keep your part of this going while innocent Hivers are getting hurt in the middle? I don't know your side of the story as well, but I'm sure you have one and it is rich with history -- but for TODAY, I can think of something you can do today to help everyone. I would think withholding the $42 DV you and @enki tend to drop on Mark would help a lot to end this whale war. I would think you upvoting whatever you want and not DVing everything Mark upvotes would help a lot. Both of you can be heroes for Hive today -- NOW -- or you can both keep up the madness and hurt Hive's short-term and long-term chances. What's that $42 DV worth to you and Enki today, Xeldal?

GENTLEMEN, whales, and global countrymen all -- PLEASE make peace, so that Hive can flourish and not be crippled. Everyone has a side to the story. Everyone is responsible for what they do from here on out. If tomorrow is the same as today, you will have chosen that. If tomorrow is better than today, and Hive's innocent content creators can breathe easier again, you will have chosen that. It is entirely up to you.

This is why stake-vote-negation is actually a more elegant solution to counter malicious whales than downvotes. It was proposed all the way back in 2016 by Dan Larimer, but the community considered it a form of censorship and it was never implemented.

Stake vote negation would mean that it takes far less effort for a prosocial whale to counteract an antisocial whale, while at the same time it also means that users who have stake collectively can each commit part of their stake, without one or few having to sacrifice all their voting power or dedicate enormous time to counter selfish or malicious behaviour.

Stake vote negation would achieve the same thing as downvotes without all the collateral damage of people thinking they are being attacked personally for no reason. The kinds of abuse that are possible with it are also easily countered by delegation (which is essentially the inverse).

I've scratched my head at why no-one would stick up for you. I mean you've always been fair with what you've downvoted (and also upvoted).

In all honesty I'm quite pissed off that because of this situation it's switched you off hive entirely -- when in reality you are one of the only whales that dares to support the whole hive ecosystem.

I get laughed at by my crypto-bro friends when I show them my project on one of the lowest liquidity markets known to man. You could probably launch "turd" token on some obscure EVM chain and it'd have at least 3x the action us guys down on hive-engine see.

We get zero support down here and mostly we're all fighting off of scraps. That being said, you're usually around to buy into some of the stuff you see as good.

That sentiment has changed now, though, and sadly, because there's at least two projects on here I know you'd take a gamble in but the hive ecosystem has worn you down to a nub.

My personal issues aside, I'm annoyed, because my general assessment of you is a good guy, that wants to see others do good. Something I admire about you is that you require excellence, and if that means not jerking off the next mediocre guy so that you can get jerked off then you take that hit, then that's of good moral character.

I vehemently disagree with people that think otherwise.

if this platform was truly decentralized it should be a community vote and not a single vote to either vote a person out abusing the rewards pool in this manner. Of course they could just start up another account and redo it all over again it's just a constant mess that so far has no real good solution and comes down a few good actions trying to combat a few bad actors with a lot of good people getting caught in the crossfire often times.

IDK what the solution is, or if there even is one but as a web3 platform that's the forefront of what is possible with social and crypto I think we need to constantly try new ideas. Some how not allowing curation trails and making people manually vote? There's a ton of options that can be explored and improved upon.

One of the largest issues however is as soon as you speak up if you're a smaller account (which mine isn't that small but could easily be muted/downvoted into nothing) is that if those big accounts don't agree with you and decide they don't like you you get slapped for it for no reason. It's one of the most discouraging things ever as an investor, someone who spends nearly a fully time job hour here on hive to build community, bring in people and just engage with others. There has to be a better way at controlling all of this and I feel it comes down to the voted witnesses to figure it out as they are a majority the core developers of hive?

You're not a bad dude. Just stepped in some shit. Happens to us all. Eventually you have to scrape that shit off though, and don't worry about the stains.

You and I had some disagreements way back. Didn't last. Put it in the past.

This place can be so fucked up sometimes. Transisto. I openly criticized his upvoting and downvoting patterns awhile back. Thought what he was doing was ridiculously counterintuitive at the time and it was messing with a lot of good people. Took twelve 100% downvotes for saying those words but then one day he shows up out the blue, leaves a little joke under one of my posts and walked away from it, left me alone. It's whatever now.

I've dealt with a mountain of shit here, dude. Could write a novel about it. Even Freedom downvoted me. Who else has that badge?

Give me a mountain of shit and I'll just climb it to get a better view.

So including myself, here's all these people showing signs they're able to put shit down and leave it in the past. I know you got it in you. I have no clue how xeldal's built though. Don't know them.

Yeah. These games people play here are making a mess. Not my job to clean it up.

Problem boils down to: People pushing buttons on social network.

Shrugs. I didn't go to school for that. I don't know wtf to do. But you'd think since we're all on a fancy schmancy blockchain there would be at least one expert.

@themarkymark

Thanks for sharing.

I have long hated the way DVs can so easily end up being weaponized. And, I've always hated the collateral damage that can result from a DV war between whales.

I noticed a year ago that your posts were being consistently nuked and that you had greatly curtailed your posting frequency as a result. As a fellow nerd, I always enjoyed your posts and found them informative and helpful. As such, I was sad to see them become so infrequent.

I have done a LOT of contemplation about the various issues related to on-chain abuse and past and current anti-abuse efforts. I have also dialogued a LOT with a lot of great Hivers about this issue, many who generally agree with me and some, like yourself, who have generally expressed disagreement with my points of view.

In any event, I plan to publish a post soon that will detail multiple different approaches that might help mitigate the problem of DV weaponization, while maintaining adequate protection against other forms of on-chain abuse, such as bot-nets, comment farming, spam and the like.

I am optimistic and hopeful that we can improve the situation considerably, with some relatively minor changes.

the irony of this post. I'm blessed to have been the 1% downvoted for personal reasons I guess.

Somehow whales' downvote policies and anti-abuse efforts always include a lot of personal bias towards content. So it ends up being used for censorship under the name of rightfulness.
Even though maybe setting out with the best intent, all those who raise the flag of anti-abuse eventually end up nuking accounts they disagree with. And so did you.

It is really complicated to get a perspective; I had the case with @pfunk, who (like you) is quite an important part of our eco-system, but then suddenly goes on a binge of hate & nuking an account he hates (and I found interesting). I am not getting into azicorn (or however you spell him), spaminator, gtg & all.....

I assume that you do have your victims too. Some small accounts that have nothing to defend themselves. So sorry, but here's a taste of your own medicine.

In my humble opinion, anti-abuse policies is one of the things doing the most damage to Hive; the 'good ones' are fucking it up.

Important footnote: I did not spend hours researching your voting behaviour; this is cumulative impression after 6 years on steem/hive.

I think a lot of us know the good that you do that few others would step up to. Unfortunately, there are a lot who don't know or care to learn much of the bigger picture of what is going on/has went on in hive.

Hmmm, yeah we're Humans, we can find a better way than downvotes for smart curation. Downvotes create irrational cycles of grief and diminish the DAU pool significantly.

I can see Stakes allocated/rejected (up/downvoted) to Communities, the voting inside of the community decides the mining rewards of the PoB and the community has to use social skills to moderate or has to mute users from using it. Downvotes on a personal level can stay but they should not cause any consequences for the PoB mining, only positive Drama left.

It's good that you took the time to explain this, thanks.

Part of the problem has been that you don't explain yourself after having taken action that frustrates other people - regardless of the details of the hive voting situation, which just adds to the frustration, negative image and the chances of conflict.. this is something to learn from imo.

When I previously asked you who was downvoting you to zero and why, you assumed that everyone already knew and just didn't answer. I didn't know (even though I run the downvote monitoring page Untrending at HiveAlive too!) and I imagine most people don't - unless you point it out.

This situation is an example of the way that actions within a community often have a knock-on effect to others and when a war erupts of some kind, other people get drawn in who would otherwise never pay any attention. This is unavoidable in a community like Hive, as long as stake effects voting - so it is all of our responsibilities to do what we can to create harmony. It's also an example of how the right to vote freely is something that people will stand up for, to the point of harming their own interests. This needs to be considered when downvoting.

I don't doubt that Marky has prevented plenty of scammers from extracting rewards using bot nets etc. - however, for me personally, I only ever encountered him when his system had wrongly identified someone, cancelled them and then found it was not possible to get him to rectify the situation. So it is wrong to view this situation as purely one where a perfect Hive user is the victim of nasty bullies. Even if the intentions are pure, the implementation was not and the image created as a result was not responded to in order to improve public reputation.

Comments on specific points made:

• @Transisto vs Marky: We ideally need a new option for post rewards that sends the author reward back to the rewards pool, while the stakeholder still gets the curation reward. Another option is the addition of an automatic (reduced) stakeholder reward that everyone gets paid for unused curation power. This might motivate people to not engage in upvoting pointless posts that breaks the proof of brain post discovery and post ordering system that is built in to Hive. I don't know how many of the podcast posts Transisto voted on but I do know that quality curation takes at least 1-2 hours every single day. This is a huge amount of time for people to be putting into the system to get their curation reward and it is totally predictable that people will just upvote whatever post they see sometimes in order to be able to do something else that day. When smaller accounts do this, no-one notices - but larger accounts are very obvious.

• @TDVTV posts: I agree that the original setup for Vigilante.TV was not good - in that content was effectively being stolen to some extent, with the original creators not getting the rewards. However, since they improved the system to prevent this from happening, the only problem left is that sometimes posts get uploaded to both 3speak and also to vigilante.tv, so there are duplicates on the blockchain. I don't personally see this as the fault of the content creators who are just wanting their content to be viewed by the most people. I also don't think this situation calls for downvotes because I don't see people upvoting both duplicate posts - people either vote for one or the other.

• Marky vs @Xeldal / @Enki: I can't speak for Xeldal or Enki as I don't know who they are and have never spoken to them. However, it looks to me like they are responding to the downvotes which appear to be limiting the reach (censoring) posts that cover triggering and controversial political topics that get routinely censored on web 2 platforms. I don't agree with nuking anyone's posts for such things, however, I can see the motivation for Xeldal's downvotes since (to my knowledge) there was no public discussion of why the downvotes were happening or what could be done about it. Punishment is not a necessary part of learning and if there is no discussion then zero learning can take place - the only outcome likely then is retaliation.

• @kencode: Ken's new site @cast.garden has also been nuked by various downvoters and I don't think he has had an explanation as to why. The content there is provided by account owners who get paid and is often decent quality. Though I don't see Marky's downvotes there, it's more Curangel and steemcleaners. Just another batch of antagonisation through DVs that isn't explained. I think effectively slandering @jeffberwick is not such a great move, but let's see what Ken has to add about that. In any case, I don't think Ken's concern about Jeff is any kind of justification for negating his complaints about the downvoting his projects receive.

Conclusion:

I accept that you don't like doing all the downvoting, I wouldn't and I think only a sociopathic person would 'enjoy' it tbh.

There are various proposals being planned to improve the downvoting situation on Hive and some will be made public soon. Other than that, this seems like an opportunity to learn the lessons from Avatar 2 - where an outcast whale becomes a hero through compassionate communication with one of the characters in movie. More communication with an intent for empathy solves problems.

Surprised this hasn't been down voted yet 😂

Seeing this feels like we are a decentralized shit and that is why we are not able to sell ourselves. May be time has come where the community should set some standards for who can get how much vote based on their content quality. It could be a varied range, just to ensure that there is some community eye. And it could even be evaluated in phased manner. Otherwise this whole mindset of earning would break the vibes of decentralization.

This wouldn't be a problem if the 1000mv vote limit was respected.

This all makes me sad tbh! Someone with your skills and passion being made to feel like this and have to do this. Big up Marky and thanks for all your help and support and we hope you are still around in some way otherwise we will get in a right old mess!

I can't claim to be a close follower of your activity, but what I know indicates you're not out to squash anyone, and just want to build a better blockchain by stamping out spam and vote farming garbage. You have my dolphin-level support!

Speaking from personal experience, every time you and I have spoken, you have shown nothing but respect to me and my projects.

On top of that, you were the first whale on Hive to start voting my stuff consistently and it helped me grow as a creator. Showed me that I'm appreciated as a creator and I'm adding something of value here on the blockchain.

I'm sorry you are dealing with all this, but I just wanted to show you that your actions didn't drive me away. In fact it kept me here when I thought I would never get noticed on chain.

Appreciate you man, especially your excellent taste in sci-fi series that ended after 1 season and should have been rebooted a decade go!

I appretiate your transparency. I admit that everytime that i received a downvote during this problem it made me feel weird… i went to you to ask about it and you answered me . Now you told the full story and I am grateful! Hopefully things will be fixed soon! But for now i am avoiding posting in communities that has xeldal in the trail

I think it's incredibly unfair that you've been targeted this way. I echo what @raymondspeaks says about you being a good guy, one of the few whales on this blockchain that are actually trying to do good for it instead of just joining the circle jerk. I'm really upset about the situation. I know I've told you as much in the Mancave, so you already know my feelings and nothing new here. As I said there, Hive is much poorer without all the good you've done here for the past 5 years.

I'm glad you made this post for everyone to see what's been going on. I hope some people with much more influence than me see it and decide to do something about it.

I know some of the new people left when you stopped the 10% weight voting which was a shame. I modelled my voting bot on what your legacy, though mine isn't on 24/7 I still nicked quite a lot of your 'votees' and added them to my 'list'. It was a great idea and I hoped you would restore it someday (and not for the reason I was on it).

With the title of this post, and while reading it I suspected you were getting out. I see that's not the case, so one positive. Can things not be fixed with @xeldal? It would be great if the bigger guys could all work together and we could some good stuff such as retaining these new promising authors.

Just a note, @themarkymark, and ALL ... @xeldal and @enki voted you UP. That means that they are perhaps ready to let this go -- please also observe that fact, @acidyo, @kencode, and others. That suggests that Xeldal and Enki may be willing to LET THIS GO, Mark. Probably the best way to test that would be to go vote something UP, and see what happens. You CAN KNOW if the war can be over ... maybe you are one decision from "live and let live." Or not. Still, up to you.

Marky trying to avoid questions

There was a point to my No Agenda art posts and there was a point to being able to show artists there was a way to earn.

As a result of the downvote war you got into with @transisto over this I stopped work on the project (I have plenty else to do). As you know I never got into a personal downvote war with you over this and I just decided to move my efforts in other ways.

Today the successful artists chosen for No Agenda show art receive a cut of the streaming Lightning payments which go to that show if they register and get a Lightning address usually with a custodial Lightning system like Alby or Wallet of Satoshi. Hive could and should have been fulfilling this role but with artists owning their own keys. I didn't have the time to push it and especially against negative push back.

The bulk of the amount earned by that account was given to the No Agenda show but there's probably some sitting in the account I need to tidy up.

Sorry it worked out this way, I certainly wasn't "milking" the reward pool but I understand why people couldn't see the long term goal. I'd hope that the community considers me to be a productive member and if anyone thinks I'm a leech taking out more than I put in, I'd like them to come out and tell me.

Wow, that is a pretty tough situation to be in man. I heard about it second hand, but not all the ins and outs of it.

I'm sorry to hear that things have gotten to a point where you feel you can't post, vote for, or be apart of certain projects without attracting unwanted negetive attention.

I feel like downvoting as an concept (at least in the context of Hive type platforms) is really a failed experiment. Especially since there is money involved. People will always feel like once they see an upvote on their content, that money belongs to them even though technically it doesn't. It's just human nature.

Downvotes can be intellectually interpreted in a perfectly logical way, but emotionally it's really straightforward: "Someone gave me money, and another person went out of their way to take it away from me."

It doesn't matter how the down-voter reasons it out or even if the vote was completely justified, because the receiver of that vote only feels spite. So it becomes sort of a 'rock and a hard place' situation.

This is why I don't get involved with down-voting content except on really rare occasions. I becomes more treacherous territory as your account size grows, I'd say.

You could just fuck off to the DV-free Blurt, but I see you are not too popular over there as it's been a haven for those you drove away. But then they don't like me much either :)

I know from experience that dealing with abuse can be thankless, but it needs doing. Concentrating massive votes on a few accounts can be considered abuse given the limited reward pool and it can also make Hive look bad if low-effort posts make a lot. I have certainly seen some nasty things said about you that I feel are not deserved. Of course people feel bad when they make less than they hoped, but Hive earnings are not guaranteed until payout and the community gets to decide.

The big accounts get to determine who trends (if anyone cares about that) and they can rake in curation rewards for little work, but we want to see quality matter.

I feel Hive has been damaged by infighting and feuds. It's never going to be a perfectly happy utopia, but people who bully others scare users away who will spread bad vibes. But it is a form of anarchy and people can do what they want. That's great, but we all benefit if Hive does better and that means trying to retain users.

Thanks for caring.

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because I still care about Hive and am willing to stick my neck out.

I have seen what you do for our chain for so long and I believe that if the good Hivers who would be willing to defend you could (had the stake to do so) would, but sadly we are too broke to actually have any influence on the voting stuff. I don't want to see you go =( Let us know if there is any way or form we could help!

!! 1st !! imagine if that was a thing on hive haha.. I'll think of a thoughtful response in a sec

BTW.. Marky was on the Cryptomaniacs podcast! I gotta go re-listen to that

you said " I powered down his stake " ... is there a conspiracy that you were actually the guy.. is this a rabbit hole?

I have watched you do so much good for Hive over the years. I wish I knew a solution, but at least I can boost your post and send you an Ecency Points tip! No one can take that away.

How does it feel to get all this out? It may not set the record straight, but the record is now here.

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LMAO YOU GOT BEAT AT YOUR GAME CLOWN.

(probably.. I didn't really fully read your VICTIMHOOD GARBAGE.)

HOLD ANOTHER AMA.

Before I saw this post, I shared this on-chain. I believe this will make my points clear no only to use but to HIVE:

A whale like marky was also a victim for last one year. Not many were interested cause it wasn't ALOT of peoples rewards. His fault was loving hive and protecting the reward pool.

I really wish you all the best but a centralize solution is not what Hive needs and especially with beneficiary and delegations plus funding involved in my pov. I wish all hivers will think together but not starting from xeldal counter votes but from beetoons days slowly coming towards tdtv and then currently going hawk.

Everyone deserves equal support either a whale or a fish. Whales are even more important as they play a big role. Does anyone try to help markymark curate freely again by distributing the hits on his counter votes or anyone talked about supporting his posts to counter the effects? I hope it's solved but do people also care about marky or just one side of the picture?

I would like to make it clear to you and hive, there r people who like the work of "Themarkymark". I left this under your post also with hopes to see a smile on your face. You did antiabuse duties where even HW failed. You faces political pressure where others stopped you continued to fight. These days will pass like the previous tough days. I trust and believe in you marky. Much Love for your services for hive.

Thank you very much for an informative share.

I have not been on Hive very long. However, I am wise enough to see that Hive blockchain platform has flaws just like all social platforms. The common denominator in the flaws are human emotions. Or, management of emotions and egos. Hard enough to manage our own imperfections let alone trying to build technology to control emotional responses from people with much authority, power, influence, etc.

In the short time that I have been testing the Hive platform as a viable path from a web2 to web3 biz I have found several areas that is not very conducive to growth for someone getting started. Sure there is lots of people telling you how well they are doing on Hive. Heck, everyday I see content about someone sharing how well they are doing. Is that quality content? How do people define quality content? What is the WHY? of Hive? What is the vision statement for the Hive community and how well is it communicated. I understand that technology moves quickly but that is not new. Same as defining processes supported by a set of standards and various bodies of knowledge. Not new. We have a rewards system that is intended to be fair to everyone but clearly there is abuse. There is always abuse when some players in the games have too much influence on the outcome of the game. Most people are not very well trained in managing lots of power. And some people are dishonest and take advantage of weakness in a system. People issues. I share one of my favorite Venn diagram and methodology to solving problems. After reading this post and all the replies so far, it looks clear to me the issue is a people issue. The expectation of people in the system is not clear or well defined. Some people have earned great influence, so much so that when they pool their efforts they can greatly control outcomes that have nothing to do with the overall wellness of our community.

https://www.smartsheet.com/content/people-process-technology

In the diagram I have marked the sweet spot that shows the three circle of impact in balance. I believe the people impact is in transition. Sometimes it aligns with process and technology impacts and sometimes it is overly influenced away from the overall purpose of the system. ie The Vision. The Why of the community. People disagree about the why because it is not well defined? When this happens some people respond against the system or against other players within the system. An emotional response. Noise that needs filtering or just negative energy that needs to be converted and not promoted.

Now what could be a solution or an improvement to an existing system to help protect everyone in the system from abuse by people with too much power?

I don't think another person with lots of power is the answer. Pooling resources in a way to make a bigger gun is not a solution. The system already shows signs of abuse from pooling of resources.

The downvote to me looks like a big gun. Why do you have to downvote anything. We can respond with better content if we don't like the content. Or you can ignore it. We should not overlook the power of avoidance. I prefer speaking out and making a statement and not sitting on the sideline. Take on the bullies. However, sometimes the bullying is a childish behaviour that the adult has not outgrown. Maybe there is a mental capacity concern. Or sometimes it is part of making mistakes so you can learn a lesson. Who knows? We are imperfect beings capable of making an emotional decision in a millisecond and then spend hours, days and a lifetime trying to use logic to justify an emotional response.

A bigger gun does not solve a problem it creates a bigger problem.

What if you got rid of the downvote?
Would that not help avoid the escalation of attacks and address the negative impact and fallout onto our community?

I have deep regrets of getting into anti-abuse in the first place, it has made my time here fairly miserable and has had no benefit to me. I don't have a proposal for it, I don't get paid doing it, and it has caused endless headaches.

Every antiabuse person's story. Now I think I know your other alt. :)
A specific face appeared on antiabuse land around the same time you disappeared. Is that you? ;)
just joking.

I am getting endless notifications on F.R.I.D.A.Y. with comments that are completely inaccurate or unaware of why this is happening.

And there r multiple people in multiple discords answering questions from your POV.

I know I'm relatively new to the blockchain here, and to date, I haven't downvoted anything, I think, though I probably should have.

To start, I have always considered the human race basically self-centered and as a human, will not exclude myself from that assessment, regardless of other people's respect for me. Somebody hits me with a big upvote, I am probably about as greedy as anyone else. So, someone comes into this as a money grabber, I expect it. Heck, I'll even upvote my own content on it's last pay day, if I happen to catch it before it pays out because... why not? The question for me is, are they doing it to commit a fraud, theft, launder, or some other financial criminal act, knowing they likely can get away with it without the censorship? There needs to be a way to protect the blockchain from these types of misuses and believe me, I am willing to bet they already exist. I'm just usually too busy looking for much better content that I think deserves a little attention.

Haters gonna hate. Don't know why, but I have always loved that phrase. I also don't hate haters, but rather find them a source of entertainment. I'm the kinda guy that see someone hating and threatening to burn the world down and the only thing that goes through my mind is, where's my gas can?

shit. lost track of time and now i'm gonna be late for work! XD Later. probably wasn't finished with this thought train. Stick arounf, buddy. You got support.

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I hope there will be a solution to this issue. It really sucks that people who contribute so much to Hive are forced to leave. Would be great if there was a special group of people who could advocate for you and make you guys to come to an agreement. Otherwise whoever has a bigger power those can rule and there is no way to control this kind of behavior🤷‍♀️

Ah, I forgot to mention, but since I engage with EVERY SINGE POST made by you on Twitter (in case I see it of course & am active at that time), I salute your ethos and I don't think that you have ever followed bad or low-level motives.

Smack, I just realized we'll never get Hive Punks 2 or Hive Pandas or stuff like that now.

I wrote a little piece several weeks ago called, value is not created it is transferred. This pretty much sums up what these types of posters are doing. They are accumulating and transferring actual wealth to themselves regardless of their content value. The downside to this is as they cash out their rewards for income with their worthless content and they reduce the value of the existing remaining assets. This in and of itself doesn't sound like a very big deal but when you are combing hundreds of dollars a day in actual value off of the community without actually contributing to it, it's the community that has to pay for it because the value that they inserted into the community for community growth is being removed by someone who's not actually contributing.

Now I support the idea of a no censorship environment, so muting these individuals is not the answer. But, there does need to be a justifiable and effective way to make illicit behavior unsuccessful. The easiest way to do this would be to create sets of programmed laws that govern how an upvote or downvote can be used. For example, No single account can receive any more than 5% of your votes. This means that a person must vote for 19 other authors before they can vote again for the same author. Unfortunately, the comber would likely simply create 20 accounts to curate with the bots. How I would programically counter that is make vote power a calculation of the uniqueness of your last 100 votes. 100 unique votes equals 100% vote power, so repeatedly voting on the same authors reduces your max vote power. There are ways to programically control misuse without singling out abuses or censorship. Making abuse programically harder to do forces combers to adapt or seek easier opportunities.

Last post? xeldal? Friday? fk its all too much! Hey is it time to sell Gods Unchained chests yet?

if you do go, I'll miss ya marky 😃

Wonderfully explained. Quality posts are key for the growth of hive overall.

It’s amazing that you have labour end to explain everything. That’s happening behind the curtains.

I hope you and the other wells can find a way of core existing.

Much love and respect for the deep dive posts you put out explaining how some technical things work on hive.

With great power comes great responsibility. When you are one of the big ones to promote or prevent whatever, you will be asked for responses.

Even if it frustrates you to give the same answers over and over again, forcing you to repeat yourself constantly, everyone who receives your down-votes expects an explanation. Each case is an individual case and wishes to be treated as such.

The frustration that someone does not accept your answers or justifications is quite understandable. But it does not absolve you from having a debate with anyone who wishes to do so, as much as it tires you insofar as you have taken the first step (DV). So if it tires you and you do not feel like and you do not enjoy it, the logical consequence would be to stop your downvotes (or to reduce them to a level that is bearable for you).

It is already very tiring to have a debate with an individual in which that individual subjectively shows no insight. However, this is not a matter that needs to be judged conclusively as long as communication is desired. Only when all attempts at communication do not lead to a satisfactory result for all participants and someone refuses to communicate, ignores arguments instead of taking them up, could DV be the final action. However, this should be preceded by all possible alternatives.

Downvotes would therefore a.) only need to be distributed by you in the quantity that you yourself can handle b.) want to be debated on a case-by-case basis.

So if you can only handle one account, then it's just one. If there are several, that's fine too. But if their number exceeds your capacity, it is up to you to adapt your behaviour to your capacities.

It is, in my view, illogical to equate downvotes with upvotes because they are two different things. Many of your upvotes do not undo one of your downvotes and vice versa because they are distributed among different users. Each act stands on its own.

Frustration fatigue is not an argument and therefore cannot apply.
Impersonal downvotes cannot exist simply because ultimately your judgement of whether a user produces shit cannot be completely objective. It always has subjective parts and only if you want to assure yourself of the impression that an imagined majority (or importance of certain users) agrees with you and you perceive such as a convention, you can keep the image of "good" about yourself.

Reason is brought to you in the measure in which you send out reason. Unreasonableness is brought to you in as much as you yourself are unreasonable.

If you wish peace or agreement with Xeldal, it must be clear to Xeldal. It presupposes his willingness to be in contact and communication with you.

If he or someone else perceived you as wanting revenge or wanting to be right, it can be that this person will want you to take his revenge for some time longer. Eventually it'll stop (except automation is in play and the involved never come back, die or busy themselves elsewhere).

Is this an emotion which you yourself never felt, never had, never acted out?
If you rarely acted out such emotions they soon will stop against you if you decide to become serene.

First off I'd say don't you fucking dare disappear because of differing opinions or perspectives.

That's most unWeb3 of you. Plus... Deadpool wouldn't give two fucks about what people think. So... there's that.

I'm running against the clock here. And against less than half days of having electricity now as well, so I'm bookmarking this to read when I can give it my full attention.

Not because I care about politics or ego and the inevitable misunderstanding these cause. But because I happen to like you immensely and find you fucking funny. Which is why I like you immensely. Also. You have a good heart underneath all that Avatar. And I'm a liddle bit of an actual expert on this shit. Now. Although I'd never call myself a ninja. Or a guru. 👍🏻

So... without needing to know your reasons for your decisions... which by all standards of a free and conscious (! Knock knock !) community you are entitled to have I'd simply say this...

If there is one thing I do not abide it is a pack mentality and bullying. I'm into courage, you see.

Because this is where any authentic kind of Fre3dom resides.

Nobody can know anything for sure. That's not how this experience of being human "works". And if someone out there actually believes they're 100 percent "right" about any of this I'd LOVE to hear their argument.

In person. With an open minded and tolerant dialogue. Please. I'm dead curious to know how that's possible at all.

So stay. Please. This way we can all possibly learn from each other.

With respect. And love. Stay you. ❤️

Being human is okay, in my book. And we all are only human. And we all get to accept this plain fact, take what works for us, change what doesn't and keep on keeping on.

You know... it's not very ladylike but I've had this well known saying rolling around inside my head for some weeks now.

"As if my shit doesn't stink too."

Y'know?

Good thing I'm not a lady because I think it fits in circumstances like these?

p.s No "Ask Me Anthing" for ages and I have a burning question... *tap tap

So take some time to rest and reboot because bullying hurts and is very harmful to mental health!

While you find your inner peace again...

Downvoting is nothing but a tool to be abused by the whales against the plebs since nobody (but marky) uses the downvote system for its intended purpose (with enough stake to make it useful).

And another thing! ^😆

If you have a goal and the methods you're using to achieve that goal don't work...

you learn what doesn't work by experience, you adjust your methods and you carry on working towards your goal. Mmmmkay? No shame in being bold or learning. Ever!

What you don't do is bail because you're afraid. Ever!

Now get your goddamned Deadpool face back on and keep on trying to change the world.

Please.

"It's unfortunate that some people tend to downvote simply because they want to respond in a way that suits their own preferences, especially when they come across a comment they don't like.

After reading this post. I realized that the same fraudulent activities happening on Bitcointalk where users gives large amount of merits to multiple account is still happening on hive. I have also noticed some hive accounts without posting activities, but has lot of Hive power and HBD stored.
Its is so sad to see that even the decentralized system is no longer transparent. Completely filled with corruption and hatred.

I remember how a user down voted most of my post for nothing, which i decide to start afresh.
I will save this particular post from @themarkymark for future reference, lots of activities even worst than this is still happening.

@themarkymark Sr. Please please don't say it's my last post, I am really sorry what happened with you or with all others, Sr. We need unity we need solutions to problems and issues.we don't find fight please I just want to hear you don't going to leave hive blockchain

I am not sure your are just going to stop publishing content or Curating posts or you are going to power down your account for leaving hive, I personally think it should not happened I also requested to all hive users please help you and all other involved in it to find a solution

I am waiting for your reply please don't leave hive, think positively you are not an ordinary user. Developers or witnesses like you are a backbone of Hive blockchain

I cant believe this is still a problem. These people started that crap before with @blocktrades and other users were just collateral damage. Anything that @blocktrades supported or any user supported @blocktrades they got targeted by @berniesanders and his minions @transisto @tamim @newsflash. Maybe they all same person 🤣

It is really childish that both of you are doing such shit in such a place where you guys are the whales and many new people expect a lot of support and good behavior from all of you!
Without the combined support of the whale curators, it is very difficult to protect the reward-grabbing strategies. While there is extreme nepotism is clearly noticeable in most of the bigger communities, then how this work I don't know!
Many garbage posts are being over curated and many good authors are leaving the place and you guys are representing the e community as a mess.
I appreciate your previous works, keep doing that with mutual understanding and stay away from each other, while so much nepotism exists, then let some whales grab the rewards pool, which is not only your responsibility to protect that, or no one has assigned you for that I think.
make Hive a better one, you can't fix it alone, so it is better to do some constructive work.
Thanks for your clarification, hope you will take part in some good works here.

I have deep regrets of getting into anti-abuse in the first place, it has made my time here fairly miserable and has had no benefit to me.

Bah! the same old same old.

!BBH

DPOS playing out, there are no good guys and bad guys, just a lot of people using their stake they way they want to see the platform grow or pay.

Thank you for the explanation, I've been seeing these comments and posts too but am basically oblivious to this and any other whale wars. I did wonder where you went about a year ago though, as I had enjoyed interacting with you. I also appreciate your support back then (thanks so much for that :) ).

@dreemsteem you might be curious about this post?

Thank you for the update, i've missed your random posts, gaming, crypto, tech and the like - what a strange how do you do and thank you for explaining it - it's good to see the support once again. Mind you it's sad that this can happen, and as we've been here a while, we've seen it from an account that we used to be IRL friends with, it's disheartening - stay true dude

thought you were the bad guy but yeah you are not the bad guy

why did they start minusing the posts?

can you find out why the posts are minus?

Please why do you keep on down voting my posts

Woah, damn. I really wish hive would get to a big enough size, similar to youtube.

The dream of communities regulating hive and punishing this giant whales that are just out of reach even for hive witnesses!

Hopefully your doing better now. And turning off the social media and just enjoying life is fine and normal. Don't let those jerks get to you.

Grrrr you can have a free borgor.

Why the fuck do you downvote me?

I am brand new to Hive and I am just learning how things work here. Your post was a HUGE HELP in understanding how it works.

God says you reap what you sow.

And without wanting to offend you: If you flagged No Agenda because of high curation, that's one thing, but if you did it because of content that doesn't fit your worldview, then that would be unjust in my eyes.

And since God sees everything, he also allows exactly what you yourself have sown to be paid back... if the act was against God's order. For many think that their standard of justice is the law, but they have not yet reckoned with the most resisting power.

Whether you want to accept that in the end is a question of self-reflection.
They know the exact reason within themselves and, of course, God does too.

Why do you downvote me?

You were a thoughtful and honest curator and your absence is certainly felt. I'm still doing OK without your upvotes, curation trail, and all that stuff but knowing that some characters I don't respect won this conflict and your hands are tied when it comes to curration irritates me a lot.

Hey king! We need you, you're a such valuable member of the HIVE community and we need your help to bring the most advanced NFT market to HIVE that will integrate all the games and offer a new level experience to the NFT traders on all our blockchain. We're running a proposal and your vote is necessary to reach the goal. Thanks in advance king!