Why can’t I get upvotes on Hive?
Direct from the desk of Dane Williams.
Because you’re either not adding value or you’re not showing that you are to those with stake.
It’s as simple as that.
Every single day on the daily crypto blog or the community Discord, the same question flicks by.
“How can I get upvotes?”
Almost every one of those asking this question have their mind set on cutting corners and taking shortcuts.
Looking to paste their low quality, spammy content that adds zero ongoing value to Hive or the LeoFinance platform
Thinking that a whale with stake thinks their sob story is so much better than the 1000 others whose sob stories they’ve read that day.
There are no shortcuts to getting upvotes on Hive
If you’re struggling to get upvotes on Hive, stop trying to cut corners or ask for handouts.
Hive is a business.
Start treating it like one.
And like any business where money is at stake, all that matters is that you add value to the platform.
Then put that value which you’ve provided in front of those with stake.
You see, the Hive blockchain uses a system of stake weighted voting in order to distribute HIVE inflation via a daily rewards pool.
People stake their HIVE and therefore want to distribute a larger portion of new supply to those who are working to increase the value of their investment.
If you’re writing short, unformatted, random garbage and expecting to be rewarded, it’s just not going to happen.
Why would anyone who has invested and taken a stake in the platform, want to pay you to diminish the value of their investment?
It just doesn't make any sense!
If you want to get upvotes on Hive, you need to focus on producing quality content that adds value to the platform.
There’s no shortcuts to be taken if you want to build a consistent stream of income from your writing.
Write quality content.
Not all upvotes on Hive are created equal
So let’s now fast forward a little down the line.
I can already hear your next complaint, so let me answer it for you before you get a chance to blurt it out.
“I’m creating SEO optimised, well formatted, long form content that will add ongoing value to Hive and LeoFinance.”
“But I’m STILL not getting upvotes!”
“Why not?”
The bottom line is that you need to put yourself in front of those that matter.
And the only ones that matter in this regard are those already on the platform with stake.
You just have to remember that In Hive’s stake weighted voting system, 1000 upvotes from nobodies are worth less than 1 single upvote from a whale.
Those with stake are all that matter
The more significant their stake, the more important it is to be in front of them!
How, you ask?
Well think about this.
For every whale with stake who is actively searching for new, up and coming content creators who continue to add value to the platform, there are 10 either using an autovoter or lurking in their same closed circles.
So take the initiative!
They’re not going to magically find your work so make them find it instead.
It’s up to you to literally put your name and your content in front of them.
Comment on their content directly.
Jump into the comments section of the most popular blogs that they have commented on and add to the conversation.
Literally weave links to your content into the replies by placing them under relevant anchor text.
As long as it’s adding value and related, linking in this manner is actually encouraged as it will help Google index related our content quicker and ultimately drive more traffic to the domain.
Do everything in your power to make them see that your username is adding value to the platform and ultimately helping their investment.
I 100% guarantee that if you do this, those with stake will click your name to dig deeper into your content.
Where if it is the well formatted, value adding content that you say it is, they will upvote you.
Big, fat, juicy whale upvotes.
Best of probabilities to you.
PS. Sorry if I sound like a prick more abrasive today, it's been a long day.
I promise I'll reply to any questions you may have in the comments section in a nicer tone ;)
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Another great, straight to the point, no fluff article, and even though I agree with every single word of this, I still want to add something:
While those with stake is all that matter in terms of you earning rewards or not, you never know who's vote that might end up being valuable.
For that reason, I personally think- and believe that everyone, especially newcomers, should always strive to build an audience, grow their followers and increase credibility and reputation on site.
In my opinion, I think that responding to comments on your own content is literally the first step of doing that. Going outside of your own content is the next step, but it's equally important as the first.
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I found that over time people's audiences can grow in stake value to. If we are all growing together, then our votes become more valuable over time.
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Great point!
Someone with a huge stake might be best friends with someone that you strike up a conversation with.
They see it, engage and you strike up a connection that way.
Just gotta put yourself out there :)
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Or a small little fish/cub suddenly decides to invest because they see the awesome potential.
Might not be so realistic as what you said, but it's definitely something I am striving for to happen.
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Exactly. I am not currently one, but I was a LEO whale in the past and I will be again ;-) In the meantime, I am still consuming and voting on content.
Those that catch my attention today get small upvotes, but I follow or remember them. Over time, they will continue to get my votes and those will gradually grow larger and larger. Then my vote recipients will be very happy, but they will have to stick it out to get there.
Beggers always get skipped by me. Seems harsh but I guess I am biased because of my upbringing (was always taught not to beg -- and I guess because of that it rubs me the wrong way).
Repeat beggers get put in the memory banks as losing all future chances. Not fair, but it is just how I am wired.
I myself post very little because I often don't think I have much to offer. I realize that I could get more revenue if I did, but don't want to put out lots of low value stuff. A reputation is hard to gain, but easy to lose.
As all above have said, comments are the best way to engage. People are much less judgemental of comments because they view them as a conversation and not a work to be graded. After all, it's just a conversation (and no one likes a conversation where all the other person does is beg them for something).
It is also easier to provide value in a conversation. Just listen and respond with something that shows you were interested and might be helpful or a fresh viewpoint.
Ironically I am ruining this conversation with my blathering :-) So I will go. Rant off!
This blog by the way @forexbrokr was awesome!
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This is probably very true. I've never really looked at it like that, but I have been struggling more than once to create content because I haven't felt that it was good enough. I don't really care about that when it comes to comments, because I'm just basically telling people what's on my mind at that time.
I'll give the beggars an image to use ;)=
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I'm looking forward to your triumphant return to LEO whaledom haha.
In the meantime, you should definitely create content if you want to.
You're obviously quite a good writer and with just a little structure, you would definitely not be spamming the community.
Do it!
PS. I just had a sneaky look at your wallet and damn I'm jealous of that LEOMM stack!
Did you buy them all early?
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Many of the people I vote for now earned my following when my upvote was worth 0.02 - now my vote is wort .30 + tokens.
So while I still can't support families on my upvote, I can add to the piggy bank with the fat coins as opposed to the pennies.
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This sums it up nicely, in my opinion. If people see your name often enough, they will eventually notice you and remember you the next time they stumble upon one of your posts. Most (if not all whales) have a number of reasons why they want to see Hive and its tribes grow so if they perceive you as a value-generating agent, they will most likely support and upvote your content, provided it meets minimum quality criteria.
This is a great tip! I don't think I do this enough, actually. I'll keep that in mind next time I think one of my articles can contribute to a conversation.
!hivebits
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It takes some of us longer than others to remember your name.
Of course, it takes me a while to remember what I had for lunch yesterday.
Actually I often cant remember but then is it really that important after the fact?
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Hahah not important at all
I often have the same issue
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Very correct I think it is very important to keep posting and make useful comment and if not notice don't give up keep doing the good work and maybe someday one will get noticed @taskmaster4450le
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Your content itself is already well structured and optimised for SEO.
But yep, if you have talked about a related topic, don't be shy to link to it in the comments of another blog that is getting more exposure.
Obviously don't be an annoying spammer begging for a vote, but just subtly include it under relevant anchor text and explain your point of view in a constructive way.
It will both help you get more eyeballs on your content and the domain with SEO.
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Oh that´s nice to know, I've been doing my best to make them a little better :)
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I am still stuck in the old HIVE culture of it being RUDE to leave your link on someone else's posts.
In a way, we are all competing for that upvote so leaving competition on my post can be seen as, well, rude.
BUT
Its time we start thinking big picture, and relevant links are good for SEO
Thanks for the reminder, the blockchain evolves and so do our habits.
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It is not an easy task to add value to hive, but it is achievable. If you put in the effort you will see upvotes coming in in the long run.
Some things you can do to get more people to see your content:
There are lots of ways to add value.
Often the best is to engage in the comment section of other people's posts. That can really enhance what is being created.
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Does it pay to upvote a post that's beyond the 7-day payout window? There won't be any LEO or HIVE involved then, but should we still upvote older posts anyway for the sake of making ourselves visible?
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Great list of tips!
I've actually just started using the promote function on the LeoFinance front-end.
Burn LEO, burnnnnn!
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Using Ecency, a 7-day promotion costs 500 Ecency Points, which is roughly worth 1 HIVE.
Using LEO to promote the same post at LeoFinance, it's still worth whatever amount of LEO equals 1 HIVE. There's no set fee schedule for promoting a LeoFinance post, but that's the math I use.
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Hive is a business.
So many people don't understand this because when they introduce them to hive the idea of you will make money is always there not proper orientation. When you see hive as proper working place putting in your best all the time by posting quality content and engaging well you will definitely see improvement
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Putting on the business cap is a good step to make. There is money on the line and many different ways to go about it.
However, we have to take ownership of what is taking place.
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Isn't this part of acquiring an ownership mentality, or at least understanding what the ownership mentality expects from us?
I'm asking because after I saw you mention the term a few times I began doing off-chain research. I will not say I went down the rabbit hole since that implies it took me deeper into nowhere and that's not true. However, I need time to review what I had discovered off-chain before I can make sense of it and apply it here.
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Thinking about Hive like a business is a good way of going about things.
You want upvotes from people who have taken a stake in the platform by buying HIVE and powering it up.
They haven't done so to lose money, so want to see value being added.
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That's the way to go and been serious with hive the goal. Focus on hive like my life depends on it
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This is amazing content, I got to learn this pretty fast and gradually discover what worked for me because even though someone has amazing content, if it is hidden, it wouldn't be valued.
Get active and be involved. And put up stuff that adds to what is going on.
That is the major take away.
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I try to do that but I know that sometimes I get a bit comfortable or lost, but ill keep doing all these.
Thank you.
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And get in front of whales, hehehe
Yep, it's all about making your content as visible as possible.
Like you said, hidden content does nothing for you or the platform itself.
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Exactly,.
Thank you for this. And true, with lots of contents created daily, we do need to do the work to get noticed.
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Comment. Comment. Comment.
It is the key to open up many magical doors on Hive and Leofinance.
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Thank you, I take that from you and we will do that.
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How underrated is reblogging as a way to engage or open magical doors? It should be part of any strategy we use to seek upvotes, but I'm not sure how it compares with commenting.
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Looks like you've caught the eye of the great whale Task!
;)
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I did? Wow, that's cool, lol! I look up to you guys, and I almost teased him 'coz he is like a bot. He's fast and all around engaging.
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Thanks for this suggestion. As a newbie, I was looking for the answers and you just fulfilled my desire. I promise I will do what you said here. Best wishes for you.
Spend twice as much time commenting as you do on post creating.
That is the secret.
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I see that Task just spilled the secret in the comment above ;)
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These are all valid points. I also see people just posting in random communities, where their content isn't relative or tagging too many different communities at once. In particular, the OCD Curators don't like that.
Found your post via ListNerds :)
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Tag spamming.
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Okay... Are you saying that because I'm mentioning where I found the content from? Please clarify.
Task means that what you've described here is called "tag spamming".
Obviously this is not adding value and something curators look out for.
My own rule of thumb when tagging is to try and use 5 relevant topic tags and then 5 related or general community tags.
The first 5 tags are key for helping curators find relevant content and Google ultimately crawl our front-end domains.
The second 5 are to help with getting noticed for upvotes because different communities sort their content differently.
Take a look at how I've tagged this one for example.
But yeah, just don't spam random shit like tagging food content with LeoFinance.
It's all common sense stuff!
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That could actually work, if you talked about the costs of ingredients or whatever. lol
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The Hive will be a long-term journey waiting to be discovered. It's important to learn new things every day and move forward on the road. Thanks for the very informative and informative content.
Long term focus and consistent action.
Those are the keys.
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Happy to hear you found it informative ;)
Definitely keep putting yourself out there by adding value and good things will come.
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Nice avatar and good photo won't hurt as well.
Sounds weird but it's true.
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How did it feel finally getting the acorn? The last Ice Age movie he finally caught it!
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Really? I just watched the first part.
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Headings in posts also help. Easier to upvote something when it is easy to read. Especially as I get older, well more accurately my eyes.
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Yep, nobody wants to read a block of text.
Subheadings, short sentences/paragraphs, dot points.
They all make content more readable and therefore of higher value.
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Nice point.
It's all about building your personal brand so you get recognised in the future as that guy who adds value.
It all helps.
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Great post and great tips! Thanks. !hivebits
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Don't apologize, Dane. Topics like this are not effective when you sugarcoat them. Sometimes people need to hear the harsh reality of the world.
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Someone best to slap people in the fast with a wet fish.
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Haha John, you know the youths today get offended by things a lot easier ;)
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it also seems like a lot of the established accounts have a bunch of autovotes for anything they post and those autovoters are not manually curating
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That is true. However, in the tribes there is a lot less of that.
At some point, the focus is going to shift away from (primarily on) Hive to other communities. That is when we will know another transition was made.
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I have a list of bloggers on an autovoter called HiveVote.
These are those that I trust to consistently post quality content and I therefore want to support them no matter what.
I keep the settings set to only vote once per 24 hours so nobody can just go rogue and drain my votes haha.
But I do think it's important to fully support certain authors who are showing up every day no matter what and adding value.
Interesting to note that the last addition to my autovoter was @jerrythefarmer.
His content is excellent and he's always in my comments and the comments on the LMT daily blog.
So I see it ALL THE TIME and just had to add it.
He is pretty much a perfect case study for getting votes on Hive.
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Can confirm. If you have something to bring to the table and can do it fairly consistently the votes keep piling up.
Thanks for the vote of confidence btw!
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I think what you are saying carries a lot of weight, one need to engage and build a network and keep on working on it then you will reap the rewards!!
Comment. Comment. Comment.
Not sure how many different ways there is to say it.
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Agreed!!
Yep, from engagement comes your network which you can rely on.
Hive is unique in this way when compared to other cryptocurrencies because your account also has a social value.
A reputation if you will.
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Any newbie scanning through the comment section - you have to be really smart if you want upvotes early in your journey. If you want to be smart, re-read Dane's blog and follow what he says. :)
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Dane increases the IQ of the average person by .5 per post.
Read a few dozen and you will be really smart.
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Okay okay, this sounds like you're both begging for upvotes ;)
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Not abrasive at all. I have been thinking the same thing. I might write a post about it myself tomorrow. This has been front and center of my mind for quite some time now.
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Write two. It is allowed.
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:) thanks, as long as I have your permission!
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There you go.
Added value to the conversation by leaving your opinion on the topic.
Then got me to click your profile and read your post.
Which was of course great and made me upvote.
This is the way!
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Thank you!
it's quite an interesting view isn't it. I have been around for 4 years now starting on 0 and just working my way. Over that period I have grown my stack and the people I used to follow have also grown.
Before I used to watch people complain about others, now I see people complain about me and the people who grew along side me.
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And as their stack grew, they are helping to keep growing your stack. Amazing how that works.
Isnt that interesting. You put in the work and achieve success and other complain about you. Of course, they believe you were "lucky".
It just shows why most are destined to NOT be successful in life. They spend too much time complaining.
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Yup correct, it baffles me..when people see others earning $100 they shouldn't get jealous. They should look to see what others are doing and build their business (that's what this account is) and start working.
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ok, but we have to admit that buying HIVE at 0.13 was just a little lucky.
But blogging through 0.13 cent hive was NOT luck, that was sheer HARD work (not really but, yeah).
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Honestly mate, your growth here has been awesome to watch.
Definitely can inspire some n00bs to follow a similar path of just picking a niche, writing quality content and engaging around it.
You're one of the best on LeoFinance and I always try and upvote your content each day.
The only reason I don't have you on my once a day autovoter is because you sometimes put content in those other tribes and I miss out on the LEO curation rewards if it happens to vote those.
Maybe splitting that stuff to another account is something to consider going forward?
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Thank you, I am glad you enjoy the posts it has also been a growth experience for me.
I have tried splitting accounts but then the new account gets missed because no one knows it 😞 you'll get a nice ROI on some of those other community posts some do well. But yes, automatic vote can be hard on the days that I do two posts. I've been less frequent in the other groups as I don't want to sack up all the rewards.
It must feel nice to be complained about. Its like winning an award, like you finally got somewhere.
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In my opinion, there isn't a way but ways to get upvotes . For instance, there are people who make low-quality content but still get support based on their other off-chain activities. I guess these are the people the newbies look up to and want to replicate their success.
"if he or she can shit post her way to the top, so can I"
However, if there is anything I can say after years of being on this platform, those who put in the work and genuinely care about what is being built here last. So it is left to all of us to choose our path.
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Dedication is the first thing people have to prove. We saw so many come to Hive, post for a while, get rewards, and disappear.
Those who show they are in for the long haul will have the attention of many of the heavy hitters.
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Just tag @trumpman haha ;)
Yeah he shitposts, but remember that he's put his money where his mouth is and taken a SHITLOAD of stake.
Also not to mention his work that adds value for Hive/LeoFinance off-chain.
He's shown the value he adds and built relationships in his own way.
And is therefore worth every upvote on a shitpost you send his way :)
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And every chain needs one clown.
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Even strategic shit-posting is more rewarding than blind shit-posting. Not everyone can succeed as shit-posters.
For anyone wishing to pursue that path, see who has mastered it and follow that person's techniques.
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well said. At the end of the day, we all need to know what works and how to apply those strategies--that work. For instance, I cannot afford to be a shit poster. I do not have that luxury. I need to put out sensible/relatable content so I can get engagement and upvotes. For some people, their reputation and stake do the work for them. So in summary, know what will work for you
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It seems like you're shouting. Lol. But yeah, you're totally right. It's expected we put ourselves out there and not sit, waiting for the whales to find us.
He is only shouting because most are not listening. LOL
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😄😄 I hope they can hear clearly now.
But I didn't post in all caps ;)
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I agree with you.
Hive is a business, the fact that it pays for one's content proves that it is a business....and like every other business, consistency is required, and it's not just about being consistent alone.
One needs to make sure that the time they spend here is worth it. One needs to improve themselves.
This is something that pays and it's also a reflection of who is so apart from bringing down the value of the platform, you're also tarnishing your reputation if you keep posting trashy content.
There is joy when you do what's worth doing, well. Keep learning, improve your self, think, and make sure your content has value before hitting on the publish button.
Even if you feel you're giving your all and you're not recognised, don't stop, rated be persistent and consistent.
People spend years developing a following on traditional social media. Yet on Hive, they expect it to come to them in two posts.
Mind boggling.
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😅
This is one reason why I get so upset when people around me tell me I'm always "pressing my phone".
The statement get me so upset that I had to put out a public notice that I won't be gentle or polite with whoever stresses me with the word again.
I'd rather they ask me what it is I am always doing and I will politely explain it to them.
Each time I write I always have to think about what to write from the title to the body of the post, I think about how to construct my words on the post, how to edit and format my post, the kind of images to use, and I have to proofread it again before finally publishing it. I must do my best to make sure that all I do is worth it. So when people around don't understand and just conclude it gets me upset. Sometimes I wonder if it's because I'm not doing it with a PC that would make it look professional.
Above all, I don't even care.
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because its crypto.
wen moon?
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Add the fact that those with stake that you're trying to get upvotes from, have spent their hard earned money to buy HIVE off the market.
They don't want that investment to be wasted and therefore want to see value being added to the platform that will ultimately increase its associated token price.
Thanks for stopping by and adding your 2c :)
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Thank you for your contribution.
I actually have a question I have always wanted to ask you:
Who do you think is the better goalkeeper. My cousin Karar or my cousin Baqir?
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I haven't seen either play, but rumour has it that the better keeper is Baqir.
Supposedly, Karar has far superior ball playing ability and distribution.
But from what I've heard, Baqir's pure shot stopping ability and athleticism that allows him to recover and make key double saves, puts the man on another level.
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Not sounding like a prick at all, just wish I read this sooner.
On the other hand, I kinda knew this already. I just focussed on growing on other platforms first. Why? Because Hive and Leo need just a bit more work and attention and I had a lot to learn. But as I grew up on other platforms I am now ready to focus on the real deal and see if I can also become a household name on HIVE and LEO .....
I am giving myself a year and after that year let´s see if I notice the difference. (I think I already notice some difference and I just started )
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Well those of us who were here realized that Hive and Leo did need work and we were willing to do it.
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And even when we spend months off chain, we talk about our HIVE and LEO to randos on the street and some of those randos actually make it here.
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Alright, you've got me intrigued.
I've given you a follow and looking forward to following your journey on LeoFinance.
You can obviously write and market yourself, so I'm keen to see how you can use those skills to add value to the platform ;)
See you around!
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Great post. I totally agree with you. There are a few out there that post every day but the value of their very short posts is questionable at best but they pull in the votes for some reason. Thanks for your post.
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Consistency is required for visibility. There is certainly the "outta sight, outta mind" syndrome.
We forget easily.
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Name names!! ;)
I do know what you mean though and it can seem weird seeing what we'd interpret as low quality content with consistent upvote support.
But just remember that not everything is always as it looks on the surface.
There are some people that do add value in other ways.
Think relationship building, off-platform marketing or even just simply by putting their money where their mouth is and taking a huge stake.
But if they're genuinely spamming or circle jerking then other curators will soon catch on and downvote them.
They're literally incentivised to do so in order to protect the value of their own investment.
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This write up is really helpful thanks @forexbrokr for sharing.
Hive is really an investment and should be treated like one.
An investment of time. That is the most important thing to take away. Once cannot be successful on here without that.
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Yeah time and hardwork
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And while people in LEO with Stake have their differences I think the one thing they ALL have in common is that NONE of them are in the remotest bit interested in posts about 'crypto and religion', even if they were well formatted and in correct English.
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I am. Crypto became the ideal religion for me.
I kneel at the Alter of Satoshi. Or is it Dan Larimer?
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Case closed!
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Well, @edicted's moon cycles would come pretty close.
That shit is whack ;)
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Hahaha
Edicted as a moon god
I like his posts even if they leave my head spinning.
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IDK what you are talking about. Now I want to read about crypto and religion.
Find the crypto in the bible, I bet you CAN!
I am not "religious" but seriously, I got curious... lol.
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I've got to admit I'm kind of curious too!
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Because you havent left 5,000 comments on Hive/Leofinance.
Do that and I guarantee upvotes will follow. Hell I would probably upvote a few of them myself. LOL
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The change to not financially penalise those upvoting comments has been one of the best things to happen on Hive.
Encourages engagement and everyone (including the platform due to added exposure) wins!
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Yes it was a great move. Next up, get rid of the dust level which could help really small accounts.
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There are no real shortcuts and I have to agree that you need to show your own value first. Things didn't take off for me until I started commenting.
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The master of building a personal brand via engagement himself :)
Someone needs to write a case-study on your Hive journey.
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A case study would probably be tough. What else would they say outside of me commenting? I think it's a bit rough because most of my posts is about games lol.
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I have to say there's been a few times where new people jumped into LEO or even Hive and they provided quality content. However they sold everything lol idk just something to me when I see someone powering down huge amounts and not staking any just feels like an exit and not really providing value to the platform so my vote weight either stops for that person or is greatly diminished.
I feel like I've been here from the very start with a year break however due to the mess that happened. But all that time it was about working with others, building content and commenting on others as well as voting for others. There's a lot more to Hive/Leo besides simply writing great content and expecting people to come.
The whole "Build it and they will come" just doesn't work. It takes consistency, quality and willingness to devote time, money and resources to something. This is a growing business when you think about it.
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Great point!
And yep, I have had exactly the same experience with who I choose to support with my own upvotes.
Now I get that we're all here to make money... and the only way to make money is to cash out.
That's the ultimate goal.
But you can definitely make money and still show you support the future of the platform by taking a stake.
If you truly do believe in the long term value of Hive/LeoFinance, then you will want to keep that initial investment anyway.
It's what's going to allow you to earn an income off the top after all!
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Many people have that attitude in Web 1.0 and Web 2.0, and they fail there, too. Marketing needs to be involved, yet it's a skill people haven't acquired. It's an underrated skill, yet it's what's needed to grow any business of any kind.
At least for tokenized blogging, it helps to have a built-in audience; we just have to put ourselves out there consistently and provide value as best as we can to our fellow Hivers and Leos. Relentless engagement is how we do most of our marketing here, but other forms or marketing exist as well; we should learn those skills too.
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Well, you sure sound like a ... making a lot of points there.
It's all about adding value and mix that with your creativity, recycling content esp trending ones is a nice idea but then it's boring... Adding value to Hive can be done in a lot of ways, you just have to find what best works for you.
Great advice...get there..in front of their faces...I think that's what a lot of us are doing wrong... we're hiding in shadows thinking these votes would find us...ómo..they wouldn't unless we go after them..
Thanks for fueling me up @forexbrokr ❤️
I find the concept that each Hive account has a social value based on your own personal brand, really interesting.
Like all other cryptocurrency wallets are just strings of numbers and nobody cares who they are or what they have to offer.
But on Hive, people know those who spam and those who add value and they ultimately are rewarded for it in the end.
Deep haha.
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Engagement is key, if one wants upvotes and interaction they must provide the same to like minded content creators. Personally I don't focus on the rewards too much. Instead I try to create a successful blog of interaction via the comment section. Create multiple posts that get dozens of comments and someone with stake is bound to take notice.
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The winning formula right here.
If your content is good enough to be generating discussion, then it's driving traffic and thus value.
Keep it up!
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This is what I've been trying to figure out. People read my posts because I get comments and I engage with readers. After a while, that's it.
Once I get through the comments of this post, I'll take the advice I find here and in the daily comment strategy post and see the effect they have on my posts. The missing link for me is in these 2 posts.
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This is a word of wisdom that both newbie and even old members need to read, i got some useful information from it as well....
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Thanks for taking the time to stop by and let me know that you got something from my post.
Much appreciated :)
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My exact heart desires written out for me to read. Hehehe.
It truly is the little things in life ;)
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I don't think you came off abrasive at all here. I've been noticing that my upvotes are going down recently on my content.
So either my content sucks more now or I've just pissed off too many people. I do like to highlight issues I see and debunk commonly repeated misconceptions people cling to. I don't do it to be negative but to alert people so a difference can be made and we all prosper.
I could see where that would not be in the best interest of the whales to upvote my content.
Oh well, I'll keep trying.
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Whatever is going on with your tags are definitely having an effect.
Your content is as good as it has ever been, don't worry about that.
(I mean opinions and pissing people off drives engagement and makes money - Hence Facebook's algo haha!!)
But you've generated a bit of a following on LeoFinance and when the tags don't work you have to then duplicate the post or use another front-end and it messes everything up.
I'm super frustrated for you because you're one of my fav writers here.
Don't give up!
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please upvote me dear, i will kindly upvote youHIVE blogging really is about quality content and name recognition. If you blog daily long enough and remain posting quality content, people with bigger stakes will more quickly click that upvote button. If you're reliable enough, sometimes they will autovote, knowing you're not wasting space on the blockchain. Build a following based on trust - trust that you're contributing content consistently that the stake holder wants to promote and see on the chain. This is the key to success here.
But don't try to PANDER to them, that's impossible to maintain and will be recognized as phony. Be yourself, be real, don't back down posting your opinions and content. Be consistent and build trust in your name.
When I see content from the desk of Dane Williams, I know I won't be wasting my time reading, or my vote upvoting.
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Perfectly put.
Our Hive accounts all have an unspoken social reputation that in the long run, leads to earning upvotes (money).
Like you said, earn the community's trust and the upvotes you receive will go up alongside your social rep!
Okay, next part...
Haha, maybe you can set me straight here.
I take it that calling someone 'dear' in certain cultures is used in place of how we'd say 'mate' or 'pal'?
Reading it in comments always makes me laugh because all I can think of is my grandfather talking to grandma: "Yes dear, I'd love a cuppa!"
Thanks for upvoting dear, I will kindly upvote you.
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This is basically a fact. I've also asked same questions to a lot of veterans on the Blockchain, none has been brutally honest as this. I keep hearing consistency and quality, but the need for pro-level engagements as you've highlighted has not been as emphasized.
Thanks for the reminders. I'll do better, and I'll ensure guide those I onboard properly as well.
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Ya know what Dane, even if you did sound like a Prick. And I did not think you did. You told it strait. More people need to read this. I have done a lot of bad posts. It takes time, it takes effort, it takes showing up everyday. I know, you know, we did not get to the point we are today with out effort.
You have to learn, and learn from others and people should learn from your post.
Fantastic job.
!BBH
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The tip has been paid for by the We Are Alive Tribe through the earnings on @alive.chat, feel free to swing by our daily chat any time you want.
In terms of the quality of our writing, it's like anything - Just takes time, effort and practice.
You're putting in the time and even from the short time I've been reading your work since I've been on ListNerds, you've improved.
(I mean even little things like how those images displayed. Much better now!)
Thanks for taking the time to let me know mate.
It's much appreciated :)
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My pleasure, and thanks for the positive feedback 😀
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Because this is such an awesome post, here is a BBH Tip for you.
. Keep up the fantastic work
Bro, I see that you have been making guides for users to do their job better in Hive, if you want and you can you could put a list in your post with links to the other posts you make that talk about the same thing' it would help a lot to those who are looking for help and optimize SEO.
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My plan is to actually edit my How to make money on Hive post and turn it into a long-form guide that ranks.
Bear with me while I get the content written and format it properly.
But I assure you, none of it is going to waste! :)
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I have taken q break from hive about twice in the little time I've been here. Both time, I actually thought of quitting because I wasn't getting upvotes and those that I got, had little to nothing in terms of value. But, reading this now, I see what I can do a little differently. Hopefully, it works for me.
I'd recommend trying to pick a more focused niche for your writing.
Then write daily posts on that same topic, always engaging with others talking about the same thing.
Consistency is key and you will ultimately build a following this way.
All the best mate!
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All solid advice here sir. Answering all the questions a noob may have right out the gate.
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Ultimately the plan is to combine all these related pieces of content into a single guide.
One that not only ranks on Google, but one that I can then use as like a mini course to onboard new users.
Stay tuned!
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Fuck yes! We need this.
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Most people are so stuck in their egos that everything revolves around me, me, and more me. But if you want to make it on Leofinance, it has to be about the LEO community
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"There's no 'I' in communi..."
Oh wait.
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It's not just about adding value, but you can't come into Leo thinking you can post anything. I used to not post to Leo because I felt like my stuff didn't belong.
It's more about posting your content in the right place with the right tags.
Lat year I earned over 500 Leo by posting my weekly goals here, but I also had Leo on my goals. I still want and need Leo but this year it's not a major part of my goals so I don't post it here. Sometimes I may use the tag but not always and not always in the first 5.
What people need to learn is where do their post fit, there are several general communities and a community for just about everything. You just have to find them.
!CTP
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That's very good advice! :)
So I see that you're now focusing on the CTP community a lot more.
While there's definite overlap between the entrepreneurship focus of CTP with the finance focus of LEO, you might earn more upvotes by focusing on just one.
Tailored content always does better.
Very interesting angle, thanks for sharing your story!
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My focus always was with CTP, that's the community I came to Hive with. Leo Finance was strongly recommended buy @jongolson as my mentor even when we were on steem but I never thought I had anything to offer that community but I wanted to get the tokens because of the value, however, I didn't have the means at the time to just buy so I had to figure something out.
Now that CTP has it's new frontend I try to use it because that's the community I'm with and support more then any other. That community has help me to get to where I am today.
Thanks for listening, I sometimes ramble.
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Totally agree with getting the right tags on content, and it often baffles me which to use when. I am paying more attention and making a note of when they are used when i read articles, but there are so many that could potentially fit, depending on the community you're posting too. !hivebits
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This is a really helpful article for all users new and old that keeps wondering how to get upvotes.
Upvotes aren't random, put a significant amount of effort into your works and who knows, maybe that effort will show in your articles and it may catch the eyes of some whales out there.
Thanks for this one!
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Effort and consistent blogs are needed first.
Then essentially marketing yourself and sending traffic to your work by engaging with others the community.
The formula is there :)
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Thanks again for the helpful tips
Lol...sometimes you've got to be blunt, so don't apologise, its all good. You are right though, constructive, positive commenting is definitely the key!
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Yes, always aim to keep it positive.
When it comes to Hive, the reality is that we're after upvotes from those with stake.
Stake that means big upvotes, but also big downvotes.
Play the political game and stroke their ego.
Don't tell them how everything they do is wrong... even if it is haha.
As a smaller account, you will always lose the argument.
Play the game ;)
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Wow. This is truly great advice. Not abrasive at all - the tone drives the point home.
As a newbie, I have been wondering how to make more connections- and wondering why some people were more successful than others on Hive (sometimes regardless of the "good content."
Now I know engagement - or shall I say, the right engagement- is the ultimate secret.
Thank you so much!
Now you know the secret ;)
Don't be a stranger Doc, I'll hopefully keep seeing you around the LeoFinance community.
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Thank you! You definitely will 😉
Yes this is good research for me as far as market psychology. I'm out to prove proof of brain doesn't work or stakeweighted voting but human energy vorting does. So i suspect proving this theory won't be instant but that's fine i've given myself enough time to crreate a system that converts human energy into cryptocurrency.
Proof of Brain creates rarity on the ability or inability of users to purchase stake or want to purchase stake. So in that way there isn't a real form of decentralized mining. So my point is this.. that the system will cap out because of this.
That doesn't mean the system doesn't have use. Those who wish to invest in stake makes the system and transactions free and that can be effective if used properly. So yes that probably will come through second layer.
i disagree with your corelation in upvoting and value. i think that thesis is what holds hive back.. However i'm not against the system completely in that it may be necessary to accomodate the system structure for free transactions.. which many would find of some value. So i'm okay with some of you paying the lunch bill but to overall grow the system value yes you need other components giving over value.. For example" there was a coin called electroneum that gave free crypto per month to people mostly useful in developing nations... but they incorporated a taskworker system so these people could trade online skills for the currency.
So the point is human energy adds value not a stakeweighted voting system.. On one hand it kinda does but the impact of the velocity of money growing the system doesn't work because generally those with stake hold on to it and those without it don't. So i been studying the system and i'm not surprised you all haven't grown in value and never break into the top 100 coins.. but a free second layer service may solve that problem and in such a system the value added to the hive ecosystem comes from human energy not a minority of stakeholders remember there is no system in human history where that's worked.
Any type of dual economies won't work. Neofeudalist systems are the worse value systems in human history.. So i kinda feel like it's the mouse in the hamster wheel or the dog chasing his tail in these type systems. Yes they in the beginning may have to exist this way.. Certainly the end doesn't work
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Right on, all I gotta do is respond and comment and I will be rich. Oh right, I forgot about the posting good content part. Well, back to the old drawing board for me. See you all in a week or two.
Why do you need to go back to the drawing board?
The plan is right there!
Post a piece of content daily and then write 20+ comments per day on others.
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Yeah I was just making a joke about posting crappy content. Obviously it wasn't a good joke. That's why I have to go back to the drawing board.
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I was thinking about a hivebot with a "!" command like pizzabot. The purpose would be rewarding good advice like this when you think a vote is not enough. It would be a more targeted reward just for good advice and nothing more.
A bot with a bigger stake(like a whale) and you can use it to vote on your behalf with that stake.
Should I spend time thinking about this or not? Or is there already such a bot?
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Hmm, honestly I'm not sure if a bot like that exists.
I definitely feel cheap only sending 0.1 PIZZA worth like a cent whenever I call the bot though haha.
I really wish they'd change it up to allow you to use all 10 of your daily 0.1 tips in 1 go.
Closest thing I can think of is PeakD's tip function that I sometimes use for older posts outside the reward window.
Just keep in mind that it takes them from your liquid balance and not from a magical bot ;)
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Its not too 'magical' per se.
Bot has stake + receives delegation -> bot has a big vote value
You give the command in a post reply and the bot votes for the post (maybe more options for smaller/bigger vote).
Rules are not clear yet as what you would have to do to be eligible, maybe delegation would give you this power (you delegate what you can, and can use the bot with a much larger vote capacity collected from multiple users).
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Sound advice, still quite new on Hive and learning all the time. My biggest issue is finding the time to put everything i'm learning into practice, and making a workable, regular routine to get my content out there. It is, however, starting to come together. !hivebits
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Starting with uploading a profile pic on your account? ;)
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Definitely on the to-do list
It should be added that the comment should be directly related to the topic of the post, and not be an attempt to kick the whale in the side, and then, apologizing, say: vote for my post ... please).
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plz kindly vote my post dear i will vote u.
You mean that doesn't work??
;)
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It shouldn't work.) You can't force blessings on yourself, they come by themselves without knocking on your door.)
Very well said.
Just wanted to ask? How about when creating quality content and it seems it is still quite hidden after putting in all this effort?
Every single writer on this platform went through what you're going through.
You are no different to anyone else.
Just like I said in the post, my advice to you is show the community that you're here to add value.
Comment on 100 different posts with more visibility than yours and actually start adding value to the conversation.
That is the best way to get noticed and encourage people to follow you and upvote your future content.
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This is most likely where I went wrong over the last few months. As much as I like Daily Crypto Market Live Blog and promote it every chance I get, I have to broaden my horizons and venture forth. I will need to lessen my participation there, but only so I could increase my participation throughout LeoFinance and maybe even Hive more generally.
It took me 3 day's worth of other comments in this post to encounter this gem. I feel like I just struck gold in the mine!
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Great post I think there are some shortcuts like adding @null or hive funder as 100% beneficiary or powering up say 1 million HP, people will flock to you with votes in hopes to get yours, there are whales that still shit post and earn $50-100 per shit post with auto votes coming in the first hour. !1UP !PIZZA !PGM !lolz !giphy no shortcuts
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I still think that those whales who shitpost to take advantage of the system will get fucked in the end.
If they're literally sucking value from the platform, then other whales with stake are going to take notice and step in to protect their own investment.
It's all about adding value!
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Indeed, this is all very true!
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Hey @forexbrokr, I just thought of something more you could cover in this:
I mean, you are obviously 100% correct that you need to create something of value. Something that others will value enough so they decide to reward it.
If no one is there to read your posts, you won't get any upvotes though. So even though you need to work hard to put your name and content in front of people by creating valuable content, you also need luck & timing. All your hard work prior to you creating posts, can reduce the amount of luck & timing you need though. But as a complete newcomer, I would definitely say that they need some luck on top of the other things you've mentioned. Especially as the competition is rather fierce.
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Yeah, nice idea.
Surely someone else has done the stats to figure out what time of day is best to post for maximum upvotes?
Maybe a dalz stats post or something?
But my quick advice would be to just have a routine and stick to it.
If you post daily, always post at the same time so your followers know what to expect.
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If this isn't the bitter truth I don't know what is.. Lol at some point it hurts but the truth is the truth, engagement is the key and some days I earn more on comment sections than my normal posts that I don't even bother creating any for that day, so I just engage all through.
And what people need to know is that every day can't always be the same, you can earn more today and nothing tomorrow, it's not that you didn't do well, it's just the way it is and the way your title tends to catch the audience because titles matters too before your content. So two additional keys to add is good catchy titles and don't expect everyday to be the same.
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Yep, new bloggers need to manage their expectations.
Not every single post is going to earn a ton of money.
Especially not at the beginning.
You need to be prepared to ride the waves.
...or just invest your money into HBD and take the stable 20% ;)
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Hahaha hahaha!! At least that's easy
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Instead of listening to Dane, just do what I do by sending expertly taking nudes to whoever you need upvote from. It has a 0.005% success rate but it's 100% fun
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I've never received a nude from you.
What, isn't my upvote good enough?
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When it comes to establishing a niche, we have to be where others are not. This is how we differentiate ourselves from everyone else as we determine our own Unique Selling Propositions. What makes us different from everyone else.
When it comes to earning upvotes, however, we have to be where the people are-- and not just any people, but people with stake. It sounds obvious, but it is true.
From my own experience, I can say that it was working for me for a while. Then it stopped working for me, and now I know why. Somewhere along the line I strayed from this advice. Thanks for the reminder.
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Can I ask you a random off topic question haha?
I see you've invested in CARTEL.
Are you happy and would you recommend?
I kinda feel like I've missed the boat, but I'd like to get some exposure.
Definitely one of the cooler projects here in Hive.
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While CARTEL is an up-and-coming project on the gaming side of things here, I missed the boat there as well.
I invested in CARTEL purely to save on swap fees when using Cartel.Swap as a vehicle to go between SWAP.HIVE and HIVE as well as between SWAP.HBD and HBD. The USP was that CARTEL owners save on fees on a sliding scale based on the amount of CARTEL they own. Anyone who owns 100 CARTEL pays ZERO swap fees. However, 1 CARTEL costs roughly 5 HIVE.
Since I bought my 5 CARTEL the other day, I haven't had a chance to use
Cartel.Swap, so I don't know what it's like to use.I used to think BRO was expensive, until I discovered CARTEL!
Seriously, though,
Cartel.Swapis what got me into CARTEL, and it's an interesting use case for a token meant for supporting a mini-ecosystem for Hive gaming. Also,Cartel.Swapcan be used to manage swaps for other tokens as a 3rd party provided that the Cartel gets a cut of the TX fees. Think of Tesla making money off carbon credits rather than EVs.CARTEL has value on its own, and
Cartel.Swapadds more value to the token. It's not cheap, but I will buy more CARTEL bit by bit; staking BXT to receive daily HIVE rewards is more up my alley. However, with the recent push to have Hivers buy HBD for placement into savings for a 20% APR,Cartel.Swapis another way capitalizing on this push. It's a genius move by @flauwy and the team behind 1UP.For me, CARTEL is a long-term play just because it will take me a long time to reach 100 CARTEL. Nevertheless, it will pay off even if I never use
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I mean, you're just ranting in stanza format but you have $12.07 USD for this post but sure lol.
whales gonna whale.
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Thanks for taking the time mate.
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Comments and engagement are vital. Even if ALL whales were looking for new users who actually write, the chances of them accidentally stumbling upon any particular account is pretty low.
But if you're a new user who can actually write, by simply putting yourself in the comments section of every post in the popular/curated/hot sections of the major communities, you WILL be seen.
Hive really isn't a big ocean when you think about it.
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Exactly, you have to get out away from your own post, or nobody is likely to know or even care what you wrote. Engage, and they'll get curious :)
I think you underestimate the power of the dolphins and whales.
My 11,000 HIVEPOWER mixed with my almost 4000 LEO gives a nice little boost, and I would say that it is easier to make friends with 5 little me's than to make "friends" with 1 whale.
Especially when it comes to attracting the downvoters, one whale friend can only take you so far before the downvoters come to town.
Lastly, I agree with the sob story bit. While I do support great content from people who have been here for years and regularly power down and take money out - I only do so because I know they live in places where HIVE income can make a real difference in the today (while for people like me it will make a difference in 30 years) - which means them spending crypto money brings in real life users -
BUT
I really would rather spend my upvotes on people who I know will keep my upvote income in the system.
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This!
Great point.
We saw the power of dolphins during the Steem hostile takeover.
A ton of smaller accounts all pooling their HP made a REAL difference to the chain's governance.
Exactly the same can be said for your votes.
As for the sob story part, I do totally understand that you and I are approaching Hive from a totally different angle to other parts of the world.
Well said and something I definitely need a reminder of from time to time.
Cheers.
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It is important to add value to the system both through sharing quality publications and by engaging.
I believe this has been helping others grow their Hive account over the years and it is still a very good strategy and formula to adopt.
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I couldn't have put it better myself.
Cheers for stopping by :)
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Thank you for this honest and brutal advice. I am reblogging this.
My question is if a person is already creating quality content, what tips can you give him so that this quality content created can get the attention of whales?
My advice would be to focus on communities.
Quality content is subjective.
For example a whale in the LeoFinance community might not enjoy poetry, but a whale in a creative writing community will see it totally different.
Just try to understand your audience :)
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Thank you for this great advice. I need to know what my skills are and try to link up with a whale who will appreciate such skills. !PIZZA.
Am I allowed to speak up in the same abrasive way?????? @forexbrokr .
Everyone says so, preaching the value of quality content. It is only the partial truth. I can fetch you the spammy, short, low quality content getting big upvotes..... I think who so ever gives the above suggestion should also mention something like "You may find such priceless posts getting bigger upvotes but there are some other reasons behind (such as they have acquintance with bigger stakes on Hive). If you don't have any such things, you must produce quality content."
Most of the whales do not write content regularly, do they?
Well, the next you have mentioned that post on their comments. It seems a good suggestion, but the problem is again the same..... do these whales comment often?
All that I said doesn't at all mean that I am undervaluing the suggestions made on this post. They are worthwhile and hard work would surely pay.... but there are some drawbacks in the ecosystem and no one can simply say that there is not any place for those who aren't producing quality......
I am sorry if my words are harsh ...
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Yep, I do agree.
But you'll most likely find that those who are receiving consistent upvotes from whales on lower quality posts, actually add value to Hive in other areas.
Things like off-chain marketing or dev work.
If someone is literally posting spam and their friends are upvoting them, then other whales have a financial incentive to stop this behaviour as it will ultimately effect the value of their own investment.
You're right that some whales just curate.
But by commenting on posts in the popular/hot/curated sections, you have a better chance of catching their eye than if you didn't.
Just gotta put yourself out there.
Haha, no apologies needed.
Discussion is good :)
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Hmmmm. May be. I am not sure though...😇
Makes sense.
Ahaaan! But I have a question though. Would a whale visit the same post that he has curated already. ONLY TO PEEK INTO THE COMMENTS ON IT? 🤔
Thanks for this open mindedness.
Blessed day
"Quality" and "value" are subjective terms unfortunately. You don't sound like a prick at all, but it can be discouraging to always read "add value with quality content" and then see lots of truly garbage content getting upvotes just because the author kisses up to certain whales or collaborates with a group of other crap posters who just happen to add up to a decent vote value.
Oh man, I feel you!
Like I said in my other comment I just left you, Hive's reward system incentivises the creation of junk.
When it comes to the value of the HIVE token itself, this doesn't matter.
For HIVE, upvoting on content is purely a mechanism to distribute the network's governance token (inflation that goes into the rewards pool) as far and wide as possible.
So it doesn't matter if the content is good, bad or indifferent - Just that the token is always spreading.
But content on Hive should (and does!) have value!
Communities like LeoFinance need to monetise their front-ends, incentivise evergreen content and use that revenue to make their token sustainable.
The thing is, not one single community has actually tried to monetise their content and taken this path.
They just remain unsustainable, using their layer-2 token to reward junk content until it goes to zero.
Why??!!
We just need to see one community publish stats on how much ad revenue their front-end generates for x number of monthly page views.
From there, a path to sustainability (by burning more than inflation is rewarding authors) can be mapped.
LeoFinance says they're on top of it and the ad revenue they're collecting will eventually be used in this manner.
For now we just have to trust them...
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Monetization via ad revenue is tempting, but I worry about the control ad buyers might try to have over content.
Of course the same can be said for the whales... Hive isn't nearly as decentralized as it once was. I've seen quite a bit of "censorship by downvote" occur here by whales with an agenda. They didn't like the poster's opinion about x? Downvoted into oblivion by a whale with massive stake. It didn't matter if the post had 500 votes by us lesser mortals, it wasn't seeing the trending page if the whale didn't approve.
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Well, that's telling all us little folk how it is 😅😅. I appreciate the upfrontness of you post. I'm new to hive and really have not much idea how it works so you've clarified a few things for me. Thanku for that. I endeavour to write value posts, whether I attract the attention of a whale or not. But I'll keep my fingers crossed 😘
This is another important topic and educative more of it bro @forexbrokr
This is good advice, only there is a bump embedded there: it can take some people literally days to get through the comments on such a post. It's still worth going through the comments on post that long; it can just throw a wrench into the daily commenting strategy.
I'm not saying we should avoid posts with hundreds of comments. Increased visibility is guaranteed in such a post, and I'm seeing how effective this is.
I'm just saying if the time is worth it, we continue to go through a comment-rich post such as this one (289 comments and counting). If a post with hundreds of comments is just mostly
"did you see that?" / "yeah!" / "me too!"then we pass over it in favor of a comment-rich post with genuine comments. After all, time is money, and it's more valuable than the entire cryptocurrency market cap.Posted Using LeoFinance Beta
Excellent post. This really resonated:
I was very active on Steemit before the hard fork. In those days, I used the autovoter heavily and would spread my posts to several Discord channels, choosing the appropriate channels based on the nature of my content. I attracted a good following by doing that, and, of course, commenting and upvoting others' posts. This was a daily routine.
What happened is I lost my wallet keys and that account is now idle. I had to start over, but I was so disappointed with myself that I waited.
Now that I'm on Hive, I'm wondering if there are the Discord channels like on Steemit. There were a few that were incredible communities. And the major one I was a part of I think has disappeared. But I'm wondering if that is still happening, where Hivians gather in Discord channels to share each other's work.
Also, since you mentioned the autovoter, where do I find that now? I've got to relearn the whole ecosystem all over again, and Hive has its differences from Steemit, which means I'm sort of learning it for the first time.
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