Hiking in Vienna 🍂 (New drama on Hive, newbie scammer network revealed?)
Einem User wird vorgeworfen ein Newbie-Scammer-Netzwerk zu betreiben, und Geld von neuen Usern für die Account-Erstellung zu verlangen und dann in deren Namen zu posten und auch Dutzende Sock-Puppet Accounts zu betreiben.
https://peakd.com/hive/@quantummaa/dear-hive-i-have-to-clean-my-name-
Wenn das stimmt, ist das natürlich nicht in Ordnung.
Sowohl das Verlangen von Geld von neuen Usern als auch das Betreiben von Sock-Puppets widerspricht dem Gedanken von Hive, da damit die Community zum Zweck der persönlichen Bereicherung getäuscht wird und wir eigentlich neue User ohne Bezahlung onboarden möchten (außer eine kleine Creation-Fee gegen Spam).
Account-Tokens bekommen User mit circa 5K Hive-Power gratis und damit kann man neue Accounts erstellen. Ich habe dafür nie Geld verlangt und werde das auch nie tun, da es in unser aller Interesse ist, neue User onchain zu bringen.
Ich und viele andere Hiver machen die Community-Arbeit ehrenamtlich, ohne dafür Geld zu verlangen.
Ausnahme wäre aber, wenn man eine Consulting-Dienstleistung anbieten würde und sich über die Bezahlung im Vorhinein einigt. Dann wäre es ok.
Das war allerdings in der aktuellen Causa anscheinend nicht der Fall und es wurden angeblich sogar die Keys missbräuchlich verwendet, um etwas unter einem anderen Account zu posten und deren Rewards zu transferieren.
Not your Keys, not your Cryptos.
Wenn jemand für euch einen Account erstellt, dann ändert danach eure Keys und speichert diese an einem sicheren Ort, am besten mehrfach ab.
Da der Fall auch unsere Wiener Community betrifft, hoffe ich dass wir die Causa rasch aufklären können.
Jedenfalls ist diese Vorgangsweise, wenn sie stimmt, für mich nicht in Ordnung und ich werde mich von dem beteiligten Account distanzieren.
Peace.
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A user on Hive is accused of running a newbie scammer network, and charging money to new users for account creation and then posting in their name and also running dozens of sock puppet accounts.
https://peakd.com/hive/@quantummaa/dear-hive-i-have-to-clean-my-name-
If true, this is obviously not okay.
Both asking for money from new Hivers and running sock puppets goes against the spirit of Hive in my opinion, as it deceives the community for the purpose of personal enrichment, and we actually want to onboard new users without asking for money (except a small creation fee to prevent spam).
Account tokens are given to users with about 5K Hive power for free and can be used to create new accounts. I have never charged for this and never will, as it is in all of our interest to bring new users onchain.
I and many other hivers do community work on a volunteer basis, without asking for money.
An exception would be to offer a paid consulting service and agree on payment in advance. Then that would be ok.
However, in the current case, this was apparently not the case and allegedly even the keys were misused to post something under another account and transfer their rewards.
Not your Keys, not your Cryptos.
If someone creates an account for you, then change your keys afterwards and save them in a safe place, preferably multiple times.
Since this case also concerns our community in Vienna, I hope that we will be able to clear up the matter quickly.
In any case, this scheme, if it is true, is not okay for me and I will distance myself from the account involved.
Peace.
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One would imagine that a hive meetup would be open to all: even to the individuals who are yet not registered on hive and would like to meet the community and learn more.
Sadly, I was told in the Vienna group that a new person is allowed to attend the hive meetup only after they register for a paid workshop. Unfortunately, the first impression for an outsider looks like the hive meetup is a closed community.
Any suggestions/ideas how to on-board a new person and introduce them to community without them taking a workshop?
Everyone can come to our meetups without paying, or booking any workshops. I think the best approach is indeed to come to the meetup and getting help from other hivers to create an account. For free. Offering mandatory workshops would be shady and is not the case to my knowledge. I think the paid workshops are a different thing outside the meetups, i'm not involved in.
Ah ok I thought you wanted to do another talk with me at another event... I involved you in everything concerning our plans with @winalab.
This is not correct, the Vienna meetups are open to all, for free. There is also no owner of meetups, "meetup" is not a protected name. Anybody can create a meetup! This is blockchain, not web 2.0.-business!
Then create one ;) you just need two hive users who want to meet. https://peakd.com/hive/@stayoutoftherz/re-manncpt-rquxnd
I attended the Vienna Meetup first before I decided to join the Hive and nobody forced me to do anything or asked for money - on the contrary, I was even invited for a drink and received help from all sides to get started. I experience the meetups as really nice get-togethers and non-Hivians were also present at several of these meetings and welcome. So please no "I heard something" stories, thx.
Who told you this? I never heard of anything regarding payment for participation. Did this happen to you?
NO!
Before I reply to your questions. I would like state that the following is my experience and opinion which I have formed. Others might have different outlook about it and I respect that. I am not trying to insult or offend any of you. 🙂
@stayoutoftherz and @vikisecrets thank you for the clarification. I am aware of the meetup term in general. The reality of the hive meetup is different than what you stated because the rules are set or rather pushed by the organizer. So when I was a newcomer I also thought everyone in hive has done a workshop; at least that is how it was presented to me. Kindly read my reply below to @solymi .
@digitalmike Now I have learnt that it depends who introduced you to hive. I can understand why you would think this is just another story. I raised the concern in the telegram group immediately after the meetup this month (2nd February). Anyone in the group can check the chat but here is the exact quote from the meetup organizer: "First workshop then Meetup it's always better to be first on hive with a buddy". And you can see in the chat that @solymi also opposed to such a statement. I appreciated that!
@solymi Yes, it has happened to me. It was when some of the Hive members were at the Block & Wine meetup. I was told by one of the Hive member that only a Hive-person can join the hive vienna meetup. Anyone can join hive for free but to be part of the community it is recommended that I take a workshop first (this conversation was in-person so no proof).
But here is the conversation from the chat with the same person after the Block & Wine meetup. I am using HiveP (hive person who talked with me for the first time) to keep that person anonymous. I can show you the chat when we meet as it is a private conversation.
[HiveP] Do you want to make a workshop with me?
[Me] hey, ya that would be cool! do you have time after lunch this weekend?
[HiveP] Yes.
When do you have time? The workshop is 50€. I will help you to setup your own blog/wallet and we will publish your introduction to the full Hive Community 😉
[Me] Shouldn't that information be publicly available? Sounds strange when you are charging for introduction to the Hive community. Well if it is paid, let's talk about in person at the meetup
(here it is Block&Wine meetup)
[HiveP] Yes you can also do it without my support. If you want to be visible to all the Hive community then you can invest a bit in a workshop... Your choice but I cannot help everyone for free...
[Me] thanks! will think about it
Under the above pretext I paid for the workshop for introduction to the hive blockchain and community. During the workshop I was added to the discord and telegram group, which was told to be an active community. However, it has been a few months and there is hardly any activity. Additionally, I was told that if I refer a friend to take this workshop, I will be offered a referral HBD.
In another Block & Wine meetup, I met few others who have a similar story. They were offered to take a workshop to get an exposure to the hive community. And since we were new-comers, we would have not known that there are other Hivians who voluntarily help new-comers to join hive.
Lastly, would like to add it is not about few euros paid for the workshop, but rather the reality of how hive was introduced to some people.
This is totally crazy! I strongly suggest to avoid any advice from that person [HiveP] for good! I am so sorry that you were tricked in such a fraudulent activity! I will do some extra upvotes for you to compensate a litte at least.
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Just wow. I am speechless.
HiveP I wonder who that is...
I am deeply shocked. I have no words.
This is so fucked up on so many levels I can't even contemplate.
I am sorry this happened to you! Although my upvotes are not as big as those of Stayoutoftherz I will ensure you earn those 50€ back.
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I understand. If a workshop was offered, it seems obvious that paid counseling was offered. “Time is money” everyone knows. The event series Block & Wine is a commercial series of events aimed at doing business and enables transactions and networking between participants - even if the event itself is held free of charge. The fact that one or the other business offer was made in the course of such an event is therefore nothing unusual. Bundled first-hand knowledge is valuable - it was offered to you and you paid for it.
That it depends who introduces you to hive is true - as always in life - friends and some friendly communities are happy to help to a certain extend free of charge, but in everyday business you have to pay for services.
The question that arises is whether the service offered was proper provided, because then it's ok. You implied that things were promised that were not true or not kept. If that's the case, then of course that's not okay at all. So I suggest discussing this directly with the people involved. And if there are any issues you are now part of the community that has a lot of helping hands - as the others stated - there will be people helping you to compensate any loss.
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To @cryptopi: We had a talk at block and wine, were we presented the blockchain. You attended this event as well as several others here that's why I was wondering....https://peakd.com/meetup/@manncpt/presenting-the-hive-blockchain-cryptoblogging-nfts-and-games-at-block-and-wine-prasentation-der-hive-blockchain-krypto-bloggen- @solymi, @vikisecrets and I told you that there is a way to get a hive account for free. You got it. @solymi shared his account creation token. I offered you a @cryptobrunch workshop as well as others there like @kseniswelt. You took it and we manged together a good start on hive with intro and welcome post of mine at the Edison Cafe https://peakd.com/meetup/@manncpt/cryptoblogger-workshop-with-cryptopi314 Everything was fine... Since then you attended three #HiveMeetupVienna events where I payed for your nice @hivebuzz badge and you got every time as well a payout from the invitaions... I even deligated you on top 50HP and supported all your post with my private account and cryptoblogger telegram group. Now you dont mention the organizer who brough you in... looks like a little defamation in total... When I would have known this reaction I would have asked someone else. That's why I unfollowed you as you did. You are still invited to join us on Thursday to come back to peace and find maybe a happy ending in the community.
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I am immensely sorry that you and other newbies were ripped off so outrageously.
Hive is free for everyone to use. Also, no one is expected to purchase Hive or HBD.
I can only apologize sincerely on behalf of all honest Hivers for this behavior and would be very happy if you can regain trust in Hive.
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That's not correct. You were told there should be nobody coming to the meetup who is not interested in joining hive. (Next meetup I will make an exception, because I need security for me and my girlfriend after all the onchain attacks of people I trusted one day... )
You jumped into my comments voluntarily, I have not tagged you.
This topic is consuming too much time. This discussion ends here for me.
Long live and prosper. 🖖
Wow, that is ridiculous!! Hive is a very open community and happy for every new member, WITHOUT money! It´s sad that a few money sharks damage the reputation of Hive. !PIZZA
Btw. Getting new members on board is very easy. If you have any questions, I will help you!
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Peace ✌🏽 und Prosperity 🖖🏽
Schönes Bild, aufregendes Thema.
Ich hoffe sehr, dass ich bei meinem nächsten Besuch, wann auch immer, Euch allesamt im Einklang wiedersehen werde.
Zum Wohle unser aller.
Bester Kommentar hier! Aus meiner Sicht...
Endlich mal was los hier. Der volle Krimi 😂
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Das mit den Account Creation Token funktioniert inzwischen erst jenseits der 10 k Schallmauer...
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I agree that it is bad if it's true and we have to look at the evidence first. We need to see what proof there is first.
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so true.
Frechheit sowas das wirft nur unnötig schlechtes Licht auf Hive. Aber es ist wie so oft auch wo anderes es wird leider immer welche Geben sie versuchen ein System für ihren eigenen Vorteil zu missbrauchen.
Danke für diese Worte und tolles Bild ;-) Wo war das genau?
Danke, war wieder im Lainzer Tiergarten :)
Schaut aus wie Wienerwald wobei das ja quasi ein und das selbe ist :D
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The first thing is that we should not give keys to anyone because it happened to me once that I had three axies in my Ronin network and I accidentally sent several to one person and five minutes later He had washed my entire account. If we do come here to create an account for you and we ask someone to take money and create an account for us, then this method is also wrong because he can do fraud with us, but still if someone creates an account in this way. So first we have to change keys because whoever created the account will have our key.
Das ist echt eine üble Geschichte. Ich hoffe, dass sich da noch irgendeine Lösung finden lässt, bei der die betroffenen Nutzer volle Kontrolle über ihre Accounts erlangen können..
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Yes this seems wrong on so many levels. Hope these accounts get blacklisted.
!PIZZA
Schön zu sehen dass auch du dich von solchen Machenschaften distanzierst!
:)
Solche Praktiken und Geschäftsmodelle (x Accounts erstellen und dann unter fremden Namen posten, um sich persönlich zu bereichern und Newbies zu scammen) haben auf Hive nichts verloren.
Wurde scheinbar trotzdem für eine lange Zeit von euren direkten Meetup Freunden so praktiziert.
Diese sehen nicht mal ein dass daran irgendwas falsch ist.
Flaggen mich nun mit dem Neuling Account @sofibofi (wer hat die keys?)
Wird wohl auf einen Flagkrieg hinauslaufen wenn sie weiter stur narzisstisch meinen einfach durchziehen zu müssen.
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War da nicht auch noch was mut dem Restore Account den man anpassen sollte in so einem Fall?
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yep, Recovery-Account sollte man auch checken, das wäre ein legitimer Grund mehrere Accounts zu erstellen: https://peakd.com/hive/@arcange/introducing-hive-account-recovery
Scammers suck!
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I agree, that is bad for the community. We want to bring new people in but they shouldn't have to pay for it!
!CTP
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Gruselig!
Die Habgier des Menschen ist der Fluch der Erde. !PIZZA
This is not ok. Is there a way to combat this? Other than not feeding to this person's account with upvotes and comments?
!PIZZA
Not upvoting is a good start, maybe even downvoting in obvious cases. Hive watchers is also looking into the case. 75 accounts are potentially involved.
Echt ätzend diese Scammer! Zeigt umso mehr wie wichtig Aufklärung und Web3 Bildung ist. Damit man besser vorbereitet ist.
In den Kommentaren der verlinkten Posts geht es ja ganz schon rund ...
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Bitte stelle deinen Post selbst richtig, danke. Wenn es von deiner Seite dazu Fragen gibt, komme am Donnerstag bitte! Sonst kann ich deinen Post leider nicht voten, weil er die ürsprüngliche Falschinformation beinhaltet. Es ging nie um eine Accounterstellung. Julia ist mit @heryanna schon drei Jahre Newbie.
Beziehe mich auf deine Antwort im Thread, wo du angegeben hast:
https://peakd.com/hive/@manncpt/re-stayoutoftherz-2023224t82540880z
Das sieht für mich nach Account-Erstellung gegen Geld aus. Vielleicht kein Newbie mehr, aber es geht um zahlreiche Accounts mit fragwürdigen Inhalten, Cross-Postings und Abzug von Rewards. Betrifft auch andere Accounts nicht nur @heryanna.
Accounts
https://peakd.com/hive/@hivewatcher/rqoseh
https://peakd.com/hive/@hivewatcher/rqoset
https://peakd.com/@stayoutoftherz/re-manncpt-2023227t121650134z
Transfers
https://peakd.com/@jnmarteau/wallet
Workshop für neue User
https://peakd.com/hive-121566/@cryptopi314/re-cryptopi314-rqquey
Da hat wohl Jemand noch nicht alle Kommentare gelesen... Oder? Waren echt sehr viele verstehe ich ist sehr zeitaufwendig... Lohnt sich ich habe versucht ein bischen Witz und Sarkasmus sowie Fakten mit Beweisen dafür in die Diskussion einzubringen. Ist aber auch echt alles so verteilt bei dir hier bei sofi und mir...