Soured loan - soured friendship?

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Living in NYC was everything it promised and more. I feel very lucky when I reminisce. There was never a dull moment. Like most, my young adult life was about work and socializing. I indulged myself and met new people frequently.

One day I was introduced to Eugenie by her childhood friend, Nicole. She was very smart, multi-lingual and well-travelled. She was American but had studied at London School of Economics and lived for a while thereafter in England and France. We immediately clicked as we had a lot in common. Both my friends worked in Wall Street at top financial institutions and I worked in Greenwich, CT at a small one. As a result, both friends made larger salaries than I did.

Eugenie was a real “socialite”. She was always attending special events or flying off to somewhere exotic for a long weekend. She spent a lot of money on expensive brand named clothing and would never be “caught dead” wearing the same thing twice. As a result, she always looked amazing. However, everything came at a cost literally. Although she was always cheerful, I thought that was just a facade. She seemed a bit unsettled but who and I to judge.

At one point she had no place to live. A friend offered her a temporary place to stay while she got her act together. At that time, she asked me to lend her $1,000.
“I will return it in 3 months”, Eugenie promised. “By then I will have “things sorted”.
At first, I was surprised by the request. I told her that that was a large sum and I couldn’t believe that she needed a loan. She made so much more than me afterall.
“I have cash flow issues and just need to sout out some things. I promise that I will pay you back in 3 months. You know I wouldn’t ask if I did not need it.”, she added.

I told her that I would think about it. We were good friends by then and did a lot together. However, I did not know her that long, so I consulted with Nicole. She immediately said,

“You can loan her the funds if you want to but I wouldn’t. I am sure she makes more than both of us. What’s she doing with all her money? Did she tell you why she needed the money? She is so secretive - so I would not do it.”

I explained to Nicole that I had no idea about her track record and why she needed the loan and that is why I turned to her. Unfortunately, Nicole's response made me think but it was not comforting. Her words did not help but casted more doubt.

I was confused about what to do. I convinced myself that Eugenie would do the same for me if I ran into financial difficulties. I felt that I should help her. I figured she must have serious “issues” otherwise she would have an apartment of her own as well. I lent her the money in good faith. I did not request interest. She seemed relieved and truly grateful. That made me happy. Deep down, I felt the loan was against my better judgment but I wanted to help.

One month after the loan, Eugenie had to leave the friend’s place where she resided. She asked whether she could stay with me for at least a few weeks. What I observed when she lived with me was poor money management. She went out to dinners and parties a lot. That was the lifestyle of all young professionals in the city however. I did not want to be too judgmental. We had lots of fun when she stayed with me and she did not overstay her welcome. She found another place and left after 4 weeks.

When 3 months had passed - I waited for a phone call or a check in the post box. There was nothing. I thought,
“One does not need to be so precise it will come in a few days.”

A week passed and there was only silence from Eugenie. Hmmm. This was an uncomfortable situation so I called her and left a message. No response. I decided to take no further action but her silence would kill our friendship for sure.

Shortly afterwards we saw each other at a party. There was certainly “an elephant in the room.” She tried to avoid me but it was impossible. We greeted each other with a hug and kisses as always. She did not say a word about the repayment or lack of it and I said nothing. The party was not the setting for this discussion anyhow. I waited but heard nothing from her so the following week I had to mention it. She said,
“I felt so bad that I cannot pay you back - I was too embarrassed to say anything.”

I impressed upon her that communication would make things clearer as I am not an ogre. I asked her for at least partial payment. She gave me $50. It was better than nothing.

I then wondered whether this was going to take 19 more times and me asking for funds in order to be repaid. (That would be a long and drawn-out process - which creates this long and drawn-out tale). I hoped for the best but it did not happen. Eugenie avoided me whenever she saw me and did not return my calls. The next payment was months later after I’d expressed my disappointment and told her that she was ruining our friendship. She said,
“Oh Momogrow, I treasure our friendship sooo much - that is the last thing I would want. I am so absent-minded. I am sooo sorry.”
Then she proceeded to list all her expenses as now she had a studio which required furnishings etc.
I reserved sharing my thoughts regarding that comment. I like to avoid confrontations. She gave me $25. Much to my chagrin, in order to get any payment at all - I had to ask her every time. The worst part for me was when she pretended that she had paid me but she hadn’t. That was dishonest. Trust was dwindling. She was ruining our friendship for sure. I always gave her a dated receipt which she needed to sign. I kept a signed copy as well. I was not a fool. I felt as though I was being provoked. She saddened me and caused me a lot of stress.

On top of that, one day Nicole asked me whether I was repaid. I did not answer. She gave a sarcastic laugh while she said,
“I warned you not to do this.”
It was painful. Nicole made it her duty to ask me every so often about the status. I has to admit,
“You were right, but at least I get something when I ask.”
Nicole shook her head and said, "You are by far too nice."

I had no signed contract - only a verbal agreement. It took over 1 ½ years for me to retrieve all my funds. Maybe I should feel lucky that I got it back at all. The situation had soured our friendship. I did less things with her but I did not avoid her. She was certainly an interesting person. We had a lot in common but not this.

At some point after the loan was paid - she told me that that was the most embarrassing time of her life. She never explained what her “issues” were and I never asked. Thereafter, she was always very kind. I forgave her but I will never forget. The situation taught me many lessons. Firstly, I must always follow my gut instincts. Since then I've only lent 2 others money and there was zero stress. If I can afford it - I would rather give a gift than a loan, to avoid any potential nuisance.

It is now more than 2 decades later and Eugenie is still my friend. Neither of us live in NYC anymore. When we reminisce - we never speak about the time a loan soured and almost ruined our friendship.


This post is in response to Hive Learners prompt -#hl-w66e2


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he who loves to party would come to poverty

eugenie is her own problem, like you said she was earning more than you and nicole but her extravagant lifestyle is what is taking all her funds...

*You knew that and still went ahead to lend her money, i would say you must have really like her because your instinct warned you against such act as you confirmed in your post too...

Lucky you, that you were able to retrieve the money, i would say it was because you didn't keep quiet or ignore too, or else it would have been a lost fund...

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Yes @burlarj - I did not follow my instinct. That is the first and best guide. Yes I liked her and we are still friends but I do not live in America any more so we hardly ever see each other. I think because we were friends I wanted to help and I did not want to judge her to harshly. Sometimes one does not know what is going on in another persons life. However it would be good if she explained and that I did not need to chase her for every single payment. I forgave her but it was a stressful time.

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what is going on in her life is pretty obvious though, she does not know how to manage her funds, and she loves an extravagant lifestyle, so she is spending more than she earns, and hence why she is broke...

I doubt if she is ever gonna change though, she will just find a means to make sure she keeps living that life

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Yes you are right. However I must say that I wondered whether she had large student loans as well. However that was not my problem. As you said her money management skills were poor and she needed to change her lifestyle.

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That's a sad tale. I have so many similar scenarios that happened to me in my twenties. I guess everyone felt I had life easy with no responsibilities because I did not have a child. I was a softie and loaned money that I never got back. I've moved on from all those people. There was no connection like the one you had with Eugenie.
Good lessons learned though, and you dealt with the situation maturely:)

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Thank you @millycf1976 - I tried to handle the situation as best I could. I considered here a good friend at the time and was perturbed that things were going sour which I tried to help. Avoiding me was not the answer and certainly not paying me made things worse. I did not give up though.

I am sorry you had situation which turned out negatively. I glad you have moved on from those people. We certainly do not need the aggravation. The truth is that she cause me a lot of stress but I forgave her and we are still friends although the "Pond" is between us.

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Good to read you again - it's been a while. Hopefully you and your plants are well :)

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Hello @tezmel - yes it has been crazy busy offline. Thankfully my plants and I are doing well. Hope you are too.

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I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. Many friendships are ruined because friends take advantage and act under the umbrella of "friendship" not to fulfill their promises. At least she paid you back howbeit after so much stalling.
You're a really good person dearest @momogrow to still maintain that friendship.💜

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Thank you @jhymi - she really tested our friendship and I had to try to see beyond the situation. I was very disappointed though. I am still her friend but no longer in her daily life.

Thanks for the compliment.

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Wow, that's serious and you being able to still be her friend after is quite a statement. She wasn't fair and messed up, things like this ruin beautiful relationships build for years

I have my share of experience and I have made up my mind not to loan out anything I can let go. People can be really fun, I don't like making enemies so I am always careful when having financial dealings with people

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Yes - I maintained the friendship as she made an effort afterwards to be kind to me. I also think she has matured. We live continents apart now though.

Sorry that you have also had bad experiences as well. These situations certainly teach us lessons.

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Wow....momo, I think you didn't listen to your instincts because you weren't comfortable with the whole loan even before asking Nicole. That would have been enough reason for you to decline the request. Eugenie was busy spending extravagantly without thinking of savings.. imagine not repeating a dress and other extravagant spending.... this attitude obviously led her into loan which caused you unnecessary stress.

Then her communication was poor when she couldn't pay...she avoided you instead of coming around to explain why the breach in aggrement. Glad you finally retrieved your money bit by bit
Gosh..that was so stressful for you momo

Lesson learnt!

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Yes - @nkemakonam89 - it was more thn 1 1/2 years of stress. I swore then that i would never lend anyone money again. However I have but I listen to my gut insticts. We all want to be friendly but we cannot be too kind all the time. We must follow our our gut instincts which I did not listen to.

I got the money back because of my persistent and I forgave. She matured and we are still in contact.

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Following our instinct has always saved the day in so many occasions however we learn everyday

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So much lesson learnt from this publish @momogrow. The benefit of doubt is what makes us go out of our way sometimes to do some certain things. We need to be proved wrong especially if we are dealing with a family person, a friend or a colleague. It's of who we are. Trust is very important in the existence of humanity but Indifference has continued to make many of us lose dignified personality. Thanks for sharing this reflecting publish. Best of the new week ❤

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Aww many thanks @sunshine29 - yes I feel as though sometimes we decide to trust people even though our gut instincts tell us otherwise because we want to be kind. That is just humane. However this internal guide should really be our compass. I should have listened. I learnt many lessons. She was indifferent and non communicative which was odd again not everyone is the same and I have learnt how to accept people as they are but my radars are up and very sensitive.
Have a great week as well.

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Ouch. The fact that you did get it back, over time ( no matter the amount of stress and no how many payments it took ) is pretty impressive. It sure shows your determination. Nice to hear that you're still friends :<)

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Thank you @vincentnijman - I was so disappointed but I persisted. We are still friends because she has matured and changed. I also forgave her. She is across the pond so not a part of my social life.

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Very interesting realities of life. After this happening also you are still in touch with her in tgese 2 decades is definitely amazing. You are definitely a person with good heart. Almighty bless you abundantly.

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Aww many thanks @shamis. I had truly forgiven her and I guess for my peace of mind - i needed to move on. We are not a part of each others social/ daily lives as we live on different continents now. As you can imagine I would never lend her money and I have since lent sparingly.

As you said it is a reality of life and the victim can remain victimized if the pain lingers.

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She is very lucky to have a friend like you, I would not have been so patient. In fact I have always made a point of never lending money to anyone, a lesson that was instilled upon me at an early age. But each to their own. You have a big heart and deep pockets lol

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Gosh I had no choice but to be patient. She just would not pay. I did not know what else I could do. It is good that you do not lend out money and that that was instilled early on. I wanted to be kind and it backfired. In any event, my persistence paid off.
I forgave her because I would be the victim who would be continuously victimized by the misery. We are still in contact but long distance as she is across the pond.

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It can really be painful at times when this happens to us and most of the time difficult for us to forget. A lot of lessons I was able to grab in this I must confess

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AWw it is grat that you learnt something from the post. I learnt a lot from the situation as well. Although many might think it is crazy that I kept in touch - I forgave and moved on but would advise that no one ever get into this situation.

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Just like you I have had my fair share of loan tales and they were really terrible but eventually this teaches us lifelong lessons as we use these lessons to avoid feature occurancies.

If I can afford it - I would rather give a gift than a loan, to avoid any potential nuisance.

I strongly agree with you.
This was so nice to read, thanks for sharing @momogrow😃

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Yes indeed - these are lifelong lessons although painful. Since you have had your fair share of woes - I hope you have stopped lending especially if your gut instincts tell you not to.

Thanks for the compliment and for dropping by.

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I hope you have stopped lending

Absolutely, I gift majorly

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I've been there a few times. Lost the money and lost the friend. It's a testament to your people skills that you manged to lose neither.

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Many thanks @deirdyweirdy. Sorry that it happened a few times to you. We want to be humane and help others but it does not always work for the best.
I lost neither but to be honest she lives across the Pond so not a part of my social life now and she's matured.

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