Did He, or Didn't He?
Well, look what good old Elon did a couple of days ago!
Did he really?
No..
Oh my god!
When Elon threw this salute we had many discussions on my discord about the intention behind other people's actions.
This single shout out from Elon has wasted several hours of my time these last few weeks in discussions I'd have rather not have been in, when it could have been only a few seconds as we laughed together at the similarities between the two.
Personally?
I just think he was a really happy autistic man overcome with emotion and wanted to send a heartfelt thank you to the crowd who have supported his ideas for the last 5 years.
That's it,
Nothing more.
Of course the media were going to make hysteria of it because they want their clicks and views, and of course Elon is going to be vague about it because he wants engagement on his platform.
You are being played for financial gain my friend, by both sides of the aisle. This should by now be nothing new to you.
Businesses want their angry clicks and twitter wants its angry engagement.
Emotions drive engagement, and angry people are the most easiest to control.
People in a heightened state of anger are easier to use as a battering ram against opponents, or to just drive clicks and views. It is the same psychology.
That's why Facebook literally kicked off the idea of attention farming; but in its wake it destroyed friendships, flatted families, and wrecked neighbourhoods.
The process is simple; they will love bomb you for a few weeks, show you nice things, friends that you agree with, and generally articles that make you feel good.
Then, out of the blue they will crack that serenity with something you highly disagree to the core with.
That process will ramp up slowly until you are consuming just angry content all the time and commenting like a mad-man.
It's one of the reasons I ditched most social media.
You should regularly detach too.
But most brains that have been using social media for an eternity aren't aware of this and aren't able to step back and question things a little more.
We have been conditioned to knee-jerk react to emotive pieces of symbolism online without actually holding back and asking ourselves some of the most important questions.
Why?
How?
For instance you do realise that it took Hitler almost 16 years to raise one of the fiercest armies the world had ever seen? He trained them for war since they were barely in their teens; he pit them against the elements, and their fellow humans, and he brainwashed them severely.
He turned a fun thing for kids to do when they were young into an army recruitment facility. From child to soldier.
There were no dog whistles, or secret Okay signs to their fellow leaders -- they were out and they were proud of what they were doing.
I can almost wholeheartedly promise you that Elon is not a Nazi.
I don't think most people realise what Naziism was. You would be shot in the face in the middle of the street for disagreeing with an officer. German or Jew.
Those that disagreed with Naziism weren't allowed to protest in large numbers on the street. If they tried, they would be carted off and taken away to concentration camps with their Jew colleagues.
"Jew Sympathiser"
Was the term used to squash rebellion. Any Jew sympathiser met the same fate.
So,
no.
Everyone still has their rights, no-one's getting sent to large execution chambers in their thousands, and no-one's getting shot in the face on the street and being left to rot there.
If you look at anything popular it needs public support and there's two camps at the moment. One camp are frightened and saying his is a Nazi, the other is saying he can't be one.
If you look at the bigger picture then 99% of people don't support this idea, so the chances of anything like this happening are 0%.
well.
0.000001%
Because it has happened before. I'm not an absolutist. I believe there's a chance for everything.
But as for Elon and his awkward excitable autisty salute that didn't look good?
Well, maybe you should step away from the internet for a few days and concentrate on the things that matter.
Because like..
Who cares,
Right? :)
Just to play devil's advocate here, Ray:
True, but after being elected Chancellor, it only took him just 53 days to purge the government and take complete power. These things can happen surprisingly quickly.
Probably not, but you also probably shouldn't make promises like that. I believe Chamberlain made some similar promises about Hitler and peace in our time or some such. Statements that didn't age very well.
I mostly agree with you that it was not the nazi salute. Even if his personal feelings lean that way, I can't believe he would be stupid enough to show them off like that. At the same time, the perception of whatever it was he did being the Nazi salute isn't helped by him going on to make a statement to the German people saying that they shouldn't feel sorry about the events of WWII and shouldn't apologize.
It did, you're right. 53 days wasn't that long at all.
But remember, Germans were in extreme poverty back then. There was no assistance. It was have a job and eat (if you could) or starve and die. The Mark had hyperinflated so high that it was more valuable as toilet paper. Germans were on the street, hungry and dying.
People were looking for quick solutions -- I don't think we've ever seen that kind of trouble in the west since those days.
Those days were completely incomparable to the times we live in now.
You're right on the promise thing. Even I said I'm no absolutist - stranger things have happened.
As much of a bubble as the stock market is in now, we actually could enter a major recession soon if this bubble pops. And you can be sure Trump will just try to keep the bubble going to enrich his friends, so when it finally pops, it won't be pretty. Would it be as bad as the Great Depression? I suppose a lot of that depends on how our fearless leaders react to it. Bad policy and bad attempts to fix the situation were a big factor in making it much much worse last time.
But anyway, you're absolutely right that things aren't currently as bad as they were then. They are actually quite good. The economy objectively improved a lot under Biden. But stats and real data are meaningless—what matters is how people feel, and with Fox News screaming about how the economy is worse now that at any time in US history, the propaganda is having an effect and people feel like things are pretty terrible, like Great Depression terrible. Perception is everything. So while the two situations are not the same, they are exactly the same in some ways.
Well, I mean why would people apologize for what their grandparents did? Perhaps any Nazis still alive during WW II should apologize. Otherwise, It's like asking all white people to apologize for slavery.
At any rate, I think if Elon is truly a Nazi, it should become pretty obvious in relatively short order. If the only evidence we get that he is a nazi is an awkward gesture then it's pretty safe to say he isn't. It's not something you have to interpret with great nuance. Either your rounding up minorities and shipping them to be gassed, starved, and cremated alive in concentration camps (or something comparable)...or you are not. I'll keep an eye out for disappearing neighbors.
You're right. And that is the exact argument Japan always makes when China makes its yearly demand for Japan to apologize for WWII. There certainly is room for a debate here—I'm not saying otherwise. I think the timing wasn't the best though for that comment. I mean whether what he did was or wasn't the nazi salute doesn't really matter, then turning around and making that comment does not give a good image when connected to his action.
It looked pretty bad and certainly awkward but I don't think he had any intention of it being a Nazi salute.
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You can't be seriously defending this billionaire action because you believe he is on a spectrum. Supporting most of his ideas is a problem.
You suppose in his mind he had no thought of possible repercussion of his action? I didn't hear him say how sorry he was for making such a disturbing and identifiable gesture.
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