Don't Get Banned! - Clarification of the Rules For Long Term Sustainability Of Rising Star
One of the most important aspects of Rising Star to me is to allow people to play for free.
Many games exclude people with low incomes from playing due to the requirement to buy packs or cards to start and I wanted to see if it was possible to create a game without this requirement. I didn't know if it was possible!
After nearly two years I am really pleased that we have not only managed to continue allowing people to play for free but we have also built an amazingly passionate and helpful community that welcomes players from around the world with open arms.
The Constant Challenge
The obvious challenge with a free to play game that pays out crypto is that people will try to take advantage of this by creating multiple accounts or using bots.
Our solution, whilst not ideal, has been to restrict play to one "real" person within a "network".
To quote the terms and conditions in-game (which you should all read):
Please note that bots are not allowed. Any user suspected of using bots may have their account terminated without notice.
VPNs are not allowed.
Only one account is allowed per user. Anyone using multiple accounts will have all additional accounts banned and may have their main account banned for violations of these Terms & Conditions. This also includes multiple players sending cards and or STARBITS between accounts to gain an advantage that they would not be able to gain by playing independently.
No Cards To Be Sent Between Accounts
There has been some confusion regarding the sending of cards between accounts so we have now updated the game to use a whitelist system. Only players who do giveaways will be allowed to send cards from within the game. Other players will see the image above from now on.
Player Accounts Must Be Played Independently
Our systems for detecting multiple accounts get better all the time and we monitor activity on every account to detect behaviour that we need to investigate.
If you are an honest player who just plays your account independently and uses the market to buy and sell cards then you have nothing to worry about.
If you are trying to gain an unfair advantage and evade detection then expect to be found out at some point.
Multiple Accounts In The Same House
We understand that it is frustrating that we only allow one account per "network" and that many of you may want to introduce others in your family to the game but it is hard for us to know if multiple accounts are being played independently or not even if we did introduce something like KYC (which we have no plans of ever doing).
This restriction will therefore remain in place.
VPNs
People also use VPNs to try to hide the fact that they are multi-accounting so we do not allow VPNs to be used for Rising Star. If you have a legitimate reason for using a VPN then please let us know in discord. We would ask that you disable your VPN at least once a day when playing so we can see your actual IP address.
Person To Person Trading
Person to person trading is not supported by us.
If you wish to trade then you will need to use a third party app to send the cards. Please be aware that we monitor all card transfers and if we see anything suspicious we will investigate.
The 📈trading-zone channel in our Discord is there so people can see if anyone has been ripped off (which has happened on more than one occasion!). We recommend using the market for risk free trades.
Thank You All!
In closing I just want to say a HUGE THANK YOU to the majority of players who abide by our rules to allow Rising Star to work as a free to play game and continue to function in a sustainable way. The Rising Star community is SIMPLY AMAZING!
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Does this mean that p2p transactions of starbits is now considered illegal? I've got friends who borrowed starbits from me in the past. I guess they can't borrow any more xD
Borrowing is against the rules and always has been as it is gaining an advantage.
Oh no. Okay thank you for clearing that up! Won't happen moving forward! I got friends who paid me in fiat for starbits and some times I just tell them not to pay me back (because I wanted them to play the game more).
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Lending causes STARBITS inflation and would be fine if it wasn't a free to play game. The trade off with it being free to play is that players must play without help from others.
I'm sorry to know that. 🥺
Right now, what prevents me from inviting my friends to the game is that they might accidentally connect to my network and play #RisingStar at the same time. 🤔 Nonetheless, it's okay because certain measures need to be taken against multiple accounts by the same people taking unfair advantage of a free-to-play game. 😊
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Hope no one does multi-account in this game 😅This game is already in a stable state from what I see since the first time I played this game. Maybe just a suggestion, KYC is needed when a bunch of players is detected in one network and they say, "I'm playing independently". I don't know if my home wifi and mobile network are categorized as one network with others or not.🤷♂️I just use two of those to play Rising Star. Depends on the situation 🤔
Long Live Rising Star!!
KYC is too much administration and also has legal/privacy complications. Even doing KYC does not mean someone isn't just going to pass their login to the other person anyway.
I see... it's more troublesome than I know 🤔
I have a younger brother who wanna to play this game by wifi, but because of we are living in the same house, so it's impossible to him for playing. I think you must to solve this problem. Thankyou
It is the one downside to a free to play game. I am sorry but he will not be able to play.
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understandable, still a big thank you @rentaw03 who supplied me with my first rare singer card for free (and outside a giveaway), just because he heard I have not had one so far!
Haven't seen @rentaw03 streaming for ages! I miss his streams!
Hey @jdike no worries brother. Just want to help the community. Enjoy this beautiful game created by @atomcollector who is doing an excellent work. Thank you Jux! Still haven't been able to stream cause I don't have yet PC in my apartment. My girlfriend and I are planning to buy soon. We'll see.
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Thank you so much for creating the game and allowing us players enjoy a stress-free game. The Buskeria Police is on the watch for illegal people! Kudos to the team much love !pizza.
I heard you had a call from them! 😱
Stress-free game, that's why i love some much the game!
Well, I almost help friends by sending cards, lucky I asked first in discord lol. Honestly, I didn't invest in this game. I gave time and effort in this game last year and now, I'm earning 8k-10k starbits daily. What's the magic? Love the game first! <3
I know despite with these restrictions, there are still multi accounts using different devices + mobile data and that's quiet hard to detect tho.
Our systems get better at detecting them all the time. If you suspect any accounts please post in support and just say you need to DM me.
No worries, I'm always on dev's side and support this game :) I'm a dev too :))
Good to know! Thought the trading-zone channel as for private trading (just seems logical imo). Thanks for the clarification! I really like the game and your intention to rly make it f2p is wonderful :)
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Thank you very much!
You are doing an amazing job. This is probably the best free to play, play to earn game out there. Awesome!
Thank you!
Great job for the stability of the game!
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I don't envy you running an economy like this. There's large sums of money moving through the game and market every day and that means a lot of responsibility. Of course some people will try to 'game' the system for profit and sorting those out from legitimate players is not easy.
I do trade some cards, but it's usually straight swaps with people I trust.
It's been fun to see the game grow to thousands of players. That has given you some challenges, but performance seems pretty good now.
Keep up the good work.
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Thank you Steve! Always there with your support. We do appreciate it!
Thanks for laying out these rules. All sounds very fair to me. Keep up the great work!
Thank you for your support as always!
Thank You for this excelent game!! I am glad that the cheaters are not allowed. But I have one question. In the Music Promoter Dashboard always win the same user the bids. Is that a bot or is a very constant person who didn't sleep? :)
There's no need for a bot. You just bid. Top bidder wins. If they ever run out of STARBITS in their pool, their bid will fall off
You are talking about @Wagginston I assume? It is a common misconception that it is a bot. Actually he has set all his bids to 150 and has millions of STARBITS in his pool. You can ask him in our discord if you want.
Thank you for keeping an eye out for the things that most people take for granted. I really like this project and I think it is so much more than just a game. I love music and this project introduced me to musicians I would have never heard of, many who are very talented. Thank you again for not letting the few ruin it for the many.
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That is great to hear. A big part of the game is getting more fans for independent musicians so it is great that you appreciate some of the music!
I agree with this measure. If we are going to make a drawing of some cards or starbits, will we have to notify it by discord or something like that? What should be the before and after delivery of the prizes that are being raffled? Thank you !gif applause
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If you regularly do giveaways you just need to ask to be whitelisted in support.
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I perfectly understand the motivation of this update, but so now how is the question:
I also think that the incentive to bring more people to the game will also suffer, after all, at the beginning I believe it is the most complicated and tedious point, so if I say:
Is it also banned? I consider this general blocking dangerous, I believe that the perfect dream would be to be able to block only someone who accesses many accounts on the same network or something. But ok, it's a good update.
Sending cards or funds to friends or referrals to give them an advantage has always been against the Terms & Conditions of the game. Do give those a read
I understand what you mean, I really didn't think this was a problem, after all, here are several games and ways to vote and post in which really the campaigning, help, support and tips are the most incredible of hive, in true style one for all and all for one.
I believe this solution was not the best, but ok, thanks for clarifying my doubts. !PIZZA
I agree it is not the best but if you see how many people send 10s of cards to accounts that are obviously multi-accounts you would be amazed! If we said "you can send 1 or 2 cards but no more" then we have to say "but only up to xxx number of fans" or something. It's too complicated for people to understand and it just creates far too much support for us to handle.
This is a clean solution as the rules are clear and as @foxon said these rules were always there but we are making them clearer by way of blocking the send option. This may not be ideal but it is easier for people to understand.
This is good. Bots are what have been ruining all P2E games. Keep it up!
We will!
How do we apply or register ourselves for the Giveaways? I do Giveaways pretty regularly, so I'm curious if this is a manual process I need to start now, or if it's an automatic process and if we're shared in the RSGame posts, then we're already included?
Thanks for letting me know!
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If you try the send button and it lets you send then you are already whitelisted. If not please ask in support on Discord.
This is a good move, not to allow bots.
Thank you. We have however never allowed bots.
This is one of the main things I love about Rising Star! Rising Star is doing a great job of a keeping free to play game so fair for everyone playing! I love it! Keep up the awesome work and Rock on! 🎸 ⭐️
Thank you very much for your support!!
I love the game, been playing for a few months now. Now I'm concerned as I introduced the game to my wife, she has been playing and loving it as well. But at night, when we are both at home, we use the same network. What can we do? It's not like we are using multiple accounts, will one of us have to stop playing? Could this be seen case by case? Thank you!!!
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Thanks for the clarification on the rules you have in place concerning multi-accounts, and the bit of history on why you went free-to-play. As a bit of history, I started my blockchain gaming and crypto experience on a free-to-play game on WAX. That game also bans bots and multi-accounts. One method they used is that any multi-accounts identified result in the mining attempt always resulting in the absolute minimum result of the crypto currency they issue. Something you could try here in RSG, not sure how it would work, but if people multi-accounting always ended up with a mission giving them one starbit, they may get discouraged from playing. Maybe. Not always.
Something you mentioned in discord chat is that this is a GAME, not a money making machine, and players should not look at any money they put into the game (or any game) as an investment. Right on! I treat the money I spent on the game as spending money, like going to the movies. It's meant to be entertainment. It's a game, after all.
As for giving away cards/starbits, that isn't something I have done as yet, but am thinking of doing as I build up my own supply of NiFTy NFTs (I hope ya saw what I did there). I think that having a whitelist of players doing giveaways is a great idea, and it is good to know this in advance.
One piece of food for thought - on the discord channel, pin a post detailing some of the frequently asked questions (how often do you see people asking about how/where to get the starbit millionaire card) and in-game rules that need to be followed. Just a thought. It might help reduce some of the regularly asked questions.
Rising Star Game has been, and still is a fun game, and I look forward to your future development of the game. Keep on Rockin'!
Thank you for the detailed response!
The issue with only giving the minimum reward is that we still have to identify the multi-account in the first place. If we allow multi-accounts but then have to identify them it will be an admin nightmare. Not sure how the game you played detected multi-accounts though. Any idea?
Regarding the FAQ. There is one in-game but for some reason no one seems to find it at first.
Sorry, no clue how they identified multi accounts, but I would guess via a similar means that you are using via IP address. But that is a guess. As for bots, they were also looking at accounts that were constantly farming the game non-stop 24/7. Both methods would be a bit of a programming challenge, and then to admin it, youch!
Yep, I am amazed at how many people on discord ask questions that are covered in the FAQ on the game's site.
You've built a great game, that does a good service to the music community. And THAT is why Rising Star Rocks!
Im glad to be part of the great comunity Rising Star has built , i been enjoying the game for a few months now and also the great comunity behind it
Glad you like the community. They/you are amazing and it's what keeps us motivated every single day!
Great update and clarity on the situation, we all want Rising Star to survive for the long long term.
I definitely agree with the approach you are taking, I did report around five users I suspect of being the same person in the discord a while back but nothing ever came of it.
I still check this persons accounts out from time to time, and they mostly win their own giveaways + farm other giveaways + receive curation from the RS Account on their multiple daily posts per account.
Kind of annoying to see, seeing as so many people are more deserving of the Starbits from giveaways or upvotes from the Rising Star account.
I am sorry we didn't find and ban those accounts. Could you please DM Julie with the accounts and we will definitely look into it!
Appreciate the reply Jux! I appreciate all you and Julie do for us players, truly.
You do an amazing job, I know it is difficult to bring accusations against certain individual(s) without one hundred percent proof so I'll try gather more info regarding why I deem them to be the same person and shoot it over, again appreciate the reply thank you!
It's very difficult to control cheaters when there is a real free-to-play game like this. In my opinion, RS is a very good game that allows people from all the economical conditions to win money without invest anything. So, I am glad that you manage the game and the rules as you are doing, always thinking in the community. Thanks!
Thank you for your support!
Yo voy a dejar mi comentario en Español Jux.
Cuando llegué a Rissing Star venía de haber sido engañado por un SCAM y después de haber perdido dinero en proyecto que no cuidaron ni su economía ni la seguridad, por eso te felicito por estas medidas que aunque puede que no sean muy populares, ayudan a proteger el juego y que este dure por largo tiempo.
En los juegos NFT si algo abunda, son la gente avariciosa, egoísta y que solo piensa en su beneficio y no en que todos puedan beneficiarse, por lo que estas medidas son perfectas para alejar a gente así y que el juego vaya progresando de manera orgánica, segura y siendo una ayuda adicional para muchos de nosotros.
Para mi sorpresa, Rissing star es un juego excelente, que no es un simple clic to earn, sino que donde tienes que crear una estrategia, te anima a reinventir en el juego, es divertido y tiene una comunidad que es activa, dinámica y donde se encuentra mucha ayuda.
Además de esto se nota que todo está muy bien pensado paracuidar la salud del mismo y que el juego siga escalando siempre. LA posibilidad el Staking, ganar STARPRO etc, son además un PLUS añadido que hace más atractivo el juego, así que te felicito por todo el trabjo, horas y diseño de este excelente juego.
Así que de mi parte... no te dejes llevar por lo que es popular ya que no siempre es lo mejor. Las leyes de tránsito no son populares y salvan muchas vidas a diario. Tus reglas llevan salvando el juego durante años y pocos o casi ningún juego puede decir eso a día de hoy.
Gracias por crear Rissing Star
Ya solo te falta hacerle una olla de lentejas.
Great to see a game doing there best to keep things fair!
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Thanks for the article and taking care of the game and make it best for your community!
You are welcome.
What if I use a public IP?
Of course, I mostly use my home IP but, if I'm out, I may use public wifi or cell data.
The system looks at all IP addresses an account is using and takes that into account when flagging an account so you should be fine.
Thank you for making the system get better day by day, glad to hear we should be fine, I also use 4 IP in total, I have 2 wifi in my home, public cell data when I play using my mobile phone and use wifi at my work, I enjoy listening to the music when I am working too.
And thank you for creating an amazing game also a great community!
Thanks for these clarifications, @risingstargame !
The particularity with VPNs is that they have become indispensable in today's Internet browsing for all citizens - I'd add: much better if they are self-hosted VPNs.
Not using a VPN is the exact equivalent as walking in the street with a placard telling to everyone (to all web actors) our physical address, our exact first names and family names, and our life tastes and preferences (because sooo many things are searchable thanks to an IP address). Or the same as living in today's China, where citizens receive a fine on their "smart"phone a couple of minutes after having put their garbage bin 2 or 3 meters away from where it should have been located.
Of course, I know that Rising Star will not use our IP's with malevolent intentions. I just would like to avoid the general perception of VPNs - as any other privacy preserving tools (where VPNs are far from being the best ones) - becoming one of "a technique essentially used by scammers and multiaccounters" 🙃.
Totally agree that VPNs are a good thing but we need people to at least run a few missions a day without a VPN otherwise the game would die very quickly if we allowed players to connect with VPNs and never disclose their actual IP address.
Ok! Compliance is legit when it's for the greater good of Rising Star 🙃.
Jux, 3 short questions:
Have you had any news from Grand Space Adventure? He used to connect to Discord once a week, for the "Radio Evolve" broadcast, but I haven't seen any life sign from him since... the second phase of the war in Ukraine has been triggered. And as he lives in Poland, we could think that both events are related 😟...;
Under which modalities could we launch an NFT collab with you around the "Light Up" song you've released some years ago?;
May I send you on Telegram my new IP address? I've changed recently my ISP, and it ended up in preventing me from performing RS missions 👮.
Thanks in advance for your availability, Jux!
I am sorry as I wanted to set up another account, Refishposh, for giveaways. I had no intent of trying to do something underhanded. I perfectly understand why you have set things up as you have and am in full agreement!
Thank you so much for promoting the wonderful independent artists. I continue to use Rising Star Radio exclusively for music on my Twitch stream as I have from the beginning. Have a great week and as always: Blessings and groovy vibes!
Thanks Sarge!
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I love Rising Star and I completely agree with these measures
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Awesome work. Thank you, Jux.
you're welcome.
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i gave 1 card to one friend almost 2 weeks ago... should i ask him to give me it back? (sorry for my english)
i always hated bots or people who uses multiple account for taking an advantage, so go for it ^_^
Is there anything I need to do if I run giveaways? I just want to know if there is anything I need to do before sending out the cards on Saturday.
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You are already whitelisted as you are on the current giveaways post.
Ah good set of rules, I'll have to jump on discord about giveaways, i think it is good as you have seen my giveaways on @skylinebuds-weed
excelentes medidas para mantener el juego por años tengo 2 meses en el y estoy entusiasmado, cada dia lo amo mas y mas, gracias por existir
This is by far one of the best, most friendly environment that I'm aware off.
Full support, non stop.!
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Thank you for the update! I'm fairly new but really enjoying the game so far!
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Keep up the good work guys/gals I love the game! Level 75 is closing in and I'm excited to get to the next island asap!
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The game makes me very happy. I'm one of those few who can say that in reality, it hasn't done anything to the game. I've been here since January and last week I reached my 1K fan count... I can already generate between 4000 or 5000 starbits but absolutely everything that I have generated I have reinvested, I really like the game in general terms and I am caught by the fact of collecting the necessary cards to generate more, I always liked a lot to fill out a sticker album and this mechanic is very similar to me really love it. Thanks Rising Star. Sorry if some words are wrong but google translate sucks. XD And I am very happy to see that they take real action to prevent cheaters in it. 🤘😎 Rising Star for ever.
Thank you. I used to collect football stickers so that's why I designed the card page like that :-)
Yes, I also collect some soccer games, but the ones I remember the most are those from my childhood, where the dragon ball cards had Naruto within the universe of this... 🤣 Aguante Latinoamerica... 🤣
Howdy, if possible please provide me with clarification about this.
I started playing RisingStar by recomendation from a co-worker.
Most of the time I am online is on my network at home, but whenever I can I take a peak at the game in my work network. I´m sure my colleague does the same. Could this traffic be considered multi account? Should I stop using my work network to avoid any problems?
Thanks for providing this amazing game and all the efforts on keeping the game safe and interesting.
As long as you are using a separate network most of the time you will be fine. The system looks for how often different connections are used.
Still pluckin away Jux :)
Still havin fun :)
Glad to hear it BEB!
Very important to understand these rules, thanks for publishing them, I had some questions that you answered me by this post. Thanks again.
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It's great that you have a big emphasis on this. As someone who has built up from P2E free mode, this has given me the grind to awesome rewards because you are stopping the ability of bots to nerf the prices of hard spent time by the vast majority of us! I couldn't speak highly enough of your effort and I can't wait to do my first PeakD post on Rising Star showcasing my journey in this wonderful community! Coming soon!
So great to hear that!
Good idea to keep it fair ! I just sent a card to a winner, is there anyway to see if I'm whitelisted?
If it let you send it then you are whitelisted
Brilliant thanks
Great job as always, atom and RS team!
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All support for you guys, are doing a great job. The one account per network is a must in this kind of games, is not popular but is fair and safe for economy. Thanks for taking care of the game and the users, we trust in you and personally I appreciate that, the feeling safe and secure in this kind of projects is priceless.
Regards!
Awesome comment! Yes it is not popular with many but it is for the good of everyone.
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I agree with 99% of the above. I guess my takeaway is, if I have a card that I want to give away to someone, I can't do that because I am not set up for doing giveaways? I can only sell cards on the market? Or did I misread that?
I believe rising star is still at foundation phase , this is needed to build up a great long lasting game . Keep up the good job. Thumb up for dev team. !PIZZA !LUV
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Thanks Jux. You are the best.!
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Least I know what game not to get involved in then....
Cant use a VPN
Cant have more than one account on a network
Cant send cards between accounts.
All seem like kinda bs rules tbh.
I get the idea behind it but excluding people because they use a vpn? lol.
I totally understand these rules and they are helping every player in the game to be able to keep the game running and earning for us all.
I am a Rising Star player since the launch of the game and I love the game!
But you want the game to be fair, and to be honest I think a fair game needs to provide transparancy. If you want people to trade via the market, then please write down a little hint on the market page, how high the fees are when trading via the market. This should be visible to everybody. I know a bunch of people who already reported this to you, but so far it´s still not shown anywhere on the website. Or if it, I might have missed it so far. Sorry for that then!
That's great!
Easy to understand!
!PIZZA
Gracias por esta informacion valiosa compa
No bots, yet there is this. How is this even possible to command 82+% of the STARPRO reward pool? Looks like a @wagginston is making this portion of the game unplayable by anyone who doesn't have massive STARPRO holdings, and any non-trivial STARPRO rewards unreachable. Just a thought.
I have been playing this game for about a year, and recently started playing seriously on this. It is actually very interesting. I really love the concept, and I simply love the fact that we are able to help empower artiste. Well, I should have expected it since it is called RISING STAR! haha. Well done to the team, and do continue to keep up the good work! This is an awesome game! @risingstargame
Is there a way to unban an accounts if this get banned?
Hola Jux, para empezar me gustaria decir que Rising Star es un juego maravilloso y muy bien ideado y comparo plenamente la forma en que se cuida la economia del mismo. Esto permite que individualmente todos tengamos oportunidades de crecer. Excelente trabajo