Tribe Token Experiment - Using rebalancing, curation delegation and tribe tagging - 13th rebalance - Large losses across ALIVE, POB, CENT and CTP

This is a post by @hoosie, using an alt-account. This is an update on a tribe token experiment I started on the 10th of Nov 23. This experiment is designed to use a number of techniques to see if its possible to grow an account fairly organically, including:

  • Delegating tokens to tribe curation accounts,
  • Delegating HP to curation accounts that provide drips in the target tribe tokens,
  • Via posting experiment updates in the relevant tribe accounts,
  • And by using portfolio rebalancing (inspired by the XV token project from @spinvest which uses portfolio rebalancing to take profits).

I've also started to use Inleo for posting updates, as that should also provide a small boost to the amount of LEO token income, which is one of the 8 targeted tokens in the experiment.

You can check out the initial post that explains it all here.


Rebalance Update

This is a standard update following a rebalance of the account.

Starting Position

The table above shows the starting position for this rebalance, the new number of tokens (before the rebalance is undertaken, and spare HIVE is sold to buy more tokens). The table also shows the new token price, value and percentage weight of the tokens in the basket.

The additional tokens gained came from a combination of:

In the future, when there is enough HP on the account, I will also start to delegate HP to accounts that also bring in the targeted tribe tokens. That may start happening quite soon, which will be exciting !

As can be seen in the table above, the basket value has dropped by quite a bit. This was mainly due to large drops in the value of ALIVE (-44%), POB (-35%), CENT (-18%) and CTP (-74%) since the last rebalance. These are fairly big drops and as such have taken their toll. It was quite a few days since the last rebalance, and maybe if I had done one in-between it would not have been so bad. I'm also aware that a number of layer-2 projects have been suffering of late. CTP appears to be not functioning at all at the moment, and I understand ALIVE is also having difficulties (I'd be very happy to be wrong in both cases) - so that hasnt helped.

The table below summarises the planned delegations and accounts to be used:

delegations accounts.png

Only 6 of the 8 curation accounts paid out in the period. This happens from time-to-time, and they normally catch-up, so we'll see what happens over time.


New swap.hive to invest

As this experiment is only about the 8 noted tokens, all other income and tokens were sold for swap.hive to be re-invested in the tribe tokens. This came from:

  • 50% of the previous week's post payout in HBD was sold for HIVE. The last post didnt amount to much, but it all helps,
  • And, selling off other layer-2 tokens, of which there were a few to sell (for not much value- but again it all counts).

That gave a new basket balance of:


Rebalance Calculation

The 'total value to rebalance' figure from above was then used to calculate the new number of tokens that should be held in the basket, if spread evenly across all 8 tokens - see table below. The column at the right titled 'difference from above' states how many existing tokens need to be sold (if the number is negative) and how many new tokens need to be bought (if the number is positive).

If tokens need to be sold, then it means that token price has done well in the period, and the rebalance acts to effectively take profit from the gain in that token's value in the period, so that it can be used to buy more of one of the other tokens that has had poor price performance in the period (ie, to buy more tokens at a bargain price).

The table above also shows the price change in the period. As can be seen 5 of the 8 tokens in the basket had dropped in value (with 4 dropping significantly), and hence the overall impact to the value of the basket.

CTP has been worrying me. I'm wondering if its now dead, and hence the price is falling. I've kept it in for the meantime, but havent seent any changes on it for month or so now.

Actual Rebalance

As guided by the table above, the following action was then taken:

  • Sold tokens that needed to be sold,
  • Bought tokens that needed to be bought.

N.B. Due to the time it takes to un-stake tokens (if needing to be sold), and the difference in buy and sell prices, it may not always be possible to rebalance the basket exactly as planned (and that certainly was the case again in this period). Although over time it will average out, so that it should not be too far out. And as the curation income grows, so too will the liquid amounts available each period, at which point the rebalancing will work better. As such, the following table presents the totals after undertaking the actual rebalance, with the aim of trying to get as close as possible to the planned rebalance numbers.

From there - all tokens were staked, and delegated to the noted accounts.

The main token gain was in POB as per the rebalance purchase. It was nice to see a few NEOXAG gains which were mostly from curation and tagging in the last post.

That completes the rebalance process for this period.

Summary

The following table presents the summary for this rebalance:

The following table presents the summary from the start of the project:

So the drop in value of 5 of the tokens dominated and had a large impact. It was also 32 days since the last rebalance (I have been short on time). I'f I'd been rebalancing more often, it probably would not have been so bad - but thats life !

The table above attempts to summarise how the various methods have worked in the period, and rank them in order from best to worst (top to bottom). Its hard to capture the exact values from each method making a contribution, but it gives a rough idea of how its all working.

  • There is not much to say - the loss in value across 5 of the tokens dominated and dwarfed any of the other marginal gains.

So this rebalance chalked up the biggest loss by far. That will happen, so its ok, but in general the number of tokens continued to increase, which is one of the main aims, and the basket is still up in value since the start. If I can get in some more regular rebalances it would help going forward.

That wraps up this rebalance. Heres looking forward to the next rebalance already !

Details about my alt-account

This is a post by @hoosie, writing on an alt-account that I setup purely by accident when I didnt know what I was doing during my first few weeks on the Hive blockchain ! I thought I was getting an actifit account for my main hive account, and instead bought an entirely new actifit hive account, that I've rarely used ! I have used this account for the experiment because it basically had zero value in it (well about 1-2 HP worth), and importantly very little layer 2 tokens, and hence it acts as a clean slate to properly track progress for this experiment.

Requests to be tagged in the report

If you want to be tagged in the report so that you know when a new one comes out, let me know:

@fantagira, @tydynrain, @shanibeer, @new.things

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Very impressive work crunching the numbers. It does look like a number of Hive tribe tokens are suffering or dying. I think when I transfer Hive into Hive Engine, I actually earn Hive as there seems to be more Hive leaving than being deposited.


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I know, its a real shame to see all of these layer-2 projects taking a hit. Some of them are great projects as well, which makes it all the worse.
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I've been noticing the same trend with Tribe tokens; they start off worth something, then over a period the price starts declining, sometimes with a sudden initial drop. Once it happens, I've not seen any recover. So far, the only ones I follow that seem immune to this pattern are LEO and EDS.

It's frustrating, and I expect it is for the token creators as well. I'd love to know if there's a single consistent reason for it, but it is certainly starting to make me think hard about whether I should hold tribe tokens over the long term.

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I know - its pretty disheartening. I've noticed a number of layer-2 projects have single person ownership. If that person gets bored, dis-interested, have other commitments, etc then it can lead to a problem for the project - basically it gets dropped without someone there to keep it going. Also, if its getting low interest anyway, then there is very little incentive on the owner to keep the project going. Its a problem when Hive generally has so little adoption. If it were bigger, then there may be the business case to have bigger teams behind some of these projects.
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So many projects have been failing or being abandoned lately. It's sad to see, and I just try to adapt the best I can. The ARCHON-DHEDGE-DVS project has been totally offline and inactive for a month today, and very well may be done too. The Alive Tribe is hobbling along without Erik, basically in a holding pattern, which definitely brings uncertainty about the future of the project. I've supported the Alive community, and have been supported by the community, since I arrived on Hive, so seeing it in its present form is disheartening. We just keep matching forward the best we can. 😁🙏💚✨🤙

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I know, its a real shame to hear about all of these projects suffering. I have heard that someone has taken on CTP and is aiming to get it back up and running, although it may take a while. Thats good news.
It certainly casts some doubt into many layer-2 tokens at the moment.
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