When Friends Are Leaving Hive... .:. Late Night Blogging
We are not the same... We have different points of view, we have different feelings, we are living in different economic situations, and we have different levels of tolerance... What hurts me maybe doesn't hurt you... What stresses me, doesn't touch you at all... It's important to acknowledge those things as it makes us more resistant, it can help us to be able to LISTEN to others, to accept their views, their differences compared to ours...
I have probably mentioned in one of my previous posts that I caught myself being negative about certain things on HIVE... While I could bear with my negativity and I can "transform" it to personal positivity, others maybe can't do that... It made me a lot more positive than I was before going into the rabbit hole, but I made collateral damage in that process...
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While I was exposing the problem, the issue, it pulled down some of my friends, maybe you, the reader of these lines... As you are not like me, your reaction was different, maybe you reacted more emotionally, and my "medicine" to come back stronger and more positive didn't work for you... Not everyone is like me, like you, and by sharing our opinions, especially those that are more "delicate", we should try to do them more cautiously...
I know that I have sometimes too STRONG (and heavy/hard) opinions which I like to share with others... But they aren't for everyone... It's not all about that good old saying...
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It's not a question of being a truth or not, it's a question of "presenting" it... It's not always black or white, there are a lot of shades of gray in between... In the future, I will try to share my views differently... When I show one side, I will try to share the other side too... There is always the other side of the coin...
HIVE is complicated on one side, but it is simple on the other side... I suppose that these recent discussions about removing author rewards from layer 1 hurt a lot of people... Especially those who haven't had a longer time here... As, @bil.prag said in one of the comments, every now and then, someone drops that idea, people discuss about it, and nothing happens...
Maybe this time WILL happen? Maybe, maybe not... But, what is for sure is that some people got the negative energy from these discussions and got disappointed... If you are one of those, ask yourself... Why are you disappointed? Because of the (low) possibility that it will happen (soon), or you are disappointed in all Hivians, or? It's hard to stay objective when emotions are involved, but that's the only way out...
What did I learn from this particular situation? Well, I checked what people are thinking about that idea and made my opinion about it... In the meantime, I was taking notes on who was proposing what, who put his own interests before the interest of the platform and other people, and who cared about what. Now, what can I do with that information? I can cry and whine, swear and curse all around, of course... But that will bring zero results and zero changes...
On the other side, I can use that information to vote accordingly to witnesses who proposed something that goes against my beliefs, unvote them, and spread the word about why I did it... That's how we can still be involved and make people more responsible in their future actions... Reward and punishment... Good decisions and moves are rewarded, and bad decisions are punished... That's how everything works...
In the end, it will help you to raise your spirits! You will feel better as you are actively participating in removing bad apples, making this place better... It is a small step, but a lot of small steps make a long distance...
These events are going in circles, they repeat after some time... Do you know why? Some people tend to forget that this is a SOCIAL NETWORK, with REAL people engaging on the platform, thinking about how to help each other, and how to do better... In those moments, we have to remind them about that fact... Spreading our voice! You can't ban the whole community... At least we Hivians know what happens in that case...
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It's not the first time I heard this idea being thrown around. Interesting to see it resurfaced again and looks like this time the voice is a lot louder than before. You know, maybe this time it'll happen maybe it won't. From what I know, a lot of things around here stays as talk at times. I'd like to call it NATO (no action talk only) haha.
I haven't had the chance to see many onboarding materials but from my research on youtube, people market this place as a way to "earn" by posting. Even in some banners that I saw circulating around, there's also the word "earn". At the same time, I wonder why we haven't had many organic sign ups. Mostly the ones I saw are often from friends of friends or family ( I work with LS to welcome newbies). Maybe earning isn't what people are up to on the surface? and they just want a place to post like many other platforms out there without really caring about tokenomics or L1,L2, L3, like they just want to share their meal or do silly dances? just like many other platforms where there's always two sides, one person sign up for having fun/curious, another person sign up to make money. I think Hive or any other social media these days work that way.
Maybe out of topic but from what I observed, people tend to go where the crowds go. places like tiktok wasn't even monetized and people were there just posting dumb shit and now they have a whole damn store that powers through certain country economy. Still, I wonder though, with removing the reward mechanism completely and relies on token, will the so-called "oligarchs" gone? I doubt so. There's gonna be different from of it, existing and thriving.
When I first joined, I see hive actually as an easier entry for regular people to get to know blockchain, familiarize themselves to crypto with almost 0 money investment. It helps people kickstart their journey on crypto and found possibilities that apparently blockchain is a massive ecosystem and a lot can be done with it. That's the place I'd like to believe would exist, an entry for anyone to explore blockchain and creates less barrier for those who might not have the means to see what crypto is all about other than the ponzis and the scams.
This is why I like checking your post because it invites discussion and like you said, not everyone might agree with us but it's best to always listen different views and compare and contrast instead you know, feeling resetnment, anger,or upset. We really should normalize being disagree without retorting to ad hominem arguments or worse, severe a previously good relationship.
Firstly, thank you very much for this awesome comment and for your kind words about my content... I'm so glad that you find values in them and you got the point of them... To raise discussion and check out what others think... Very often we fall into the bubble and lose the connection with reality, and with others in our surroundings and these conversation helps a lot to get back on track...
We are doing something similar at the @liotes project (where I'm a co-owner), but asking people questions every Wednesday (we call them missions), and it's amazing to see all the comments that people are leaving!! A lot of them are like yours, deeply researched and well written... For example, I remember very well when we asked the community a question that everyone is afraid to ask, What are the biggest problems on HIVE?... You can check out the comments when you have time... https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@liotes/hsnioqbz That's how you get feedback from ordinary folks on HIVE... and not vice versa...
It is like that... and most of the time, it stays as NATO... But the issue is that folks who are not "that long" on HIVE don't know it's like that... And in a combo with some other issues, all that demotivates them... That is what I felt was happening right now when I heard some friends having some deep doubts about the platform... This goes in line with the above-mentioned "checking the pulse of the community"... When you check it, then you "launch your idea" if it solves some of the issues that the community raised... If it deepens the problem, the FUD comes and we get an angry mob with pitchforks...
Regarding the rest, I do agree with you on all points... IMO, author rewards are great, as you said, they act like a faucet, distributing tokens to new people, and inviting them into our world... That can't be bad... Of course, there are abuses everywhere, but the solution isn't to remove them completely, but rather to find a way to fight abusers...
And for moving rewards to another layer, HIVE doesn't have a "healthy" second layer at all, so without the infrastructure, talking about these things is just too early...
Cheers!!! Thanks a lot for this!!
Exactly that! we all have our own bubbles and it's good to venture out there, to understand that there are different reality exist. Sadly, not a lot of people can be open minded enough to actually venture outside their comfort truth.
Sometimes fighting abuser can be a thankless action but it's something that a FOSS type of community would tend to have. People spend their time and may/may not be rewarded. And to me, a lot of social dynamics here are also the same with FOSS communities I had been into. One thing for sure is that it's a lot more challenging when voices are decentralized rather than centralized. While community votes exist, it still has its own flaws and we should be okay with it. Just like IRL politics, you have opposition party too but you can work together for greater good.
Hopefully there's resolution. With or without the reward, I'll be here unless it's Justin type of take over hahaha
For some reason it's really hard for humans to understand the fact that we all don't think the same thoughts or live the same lives.
It takes smarts to acknowledge that.
Agree with that... It is hard to put yourself in others' shoes... There are so many differences between us and the only way to do this is to accept that... And try with another approach...
Oh, please share this report with witnesses being in favor of this unbelivably short-sighted idea of removing author rewards. I don't have that much time these days to follow the discussion thouroughly.
I don't want to point fingers as mine are different than yours, but you can check 2-3 posts and you will get the picture of who has what opinion...
For the start, you can check these posts... 1, 2, and it was interesting in the town-hall discussion...
I found an especially interesting part where @deeanndmathews shared her opinion and I would say that she represented the majority of Hivians in those moments... A very powerful talk! You can find it in the last link video around 1:22:10
Cheers!
Thank you for these links. It's all I really need to tweak my 30 votes :)
I think it is good to try and look at both sides of something. Lots of things that happen on Hive are quite often face palm moments more than anything and not worth stressing about, especially if they are out of your control.
I think Hive needs another Korean pump so we can get more excited about NGU. In the meantime we can find good gifs and memes to keep our spirits up.
What is most interesting is that it's NOT out of our control... We can spread our voice, we can make a change, and we did that not just once in the past...
It does look like we don't have a chance, but there is no bigger win than when a rookie wins the championship!
yes the battles are different, challenges are different but goal is same, which is a better life.
Well said! It is the same goal! And if we can help each other, the journey is easier and much fun!
True! We all are different and everyone is fighting their own battle 😃
Indeed... But we still can help each other and make those battles easier... :)
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there is nothing wrong about talking. but also there is a real world situation of need to all agree on it and to code all of that. so not happening in the next 2 years? in 3 years inflation of hive will be 6%, half of what is now...
Nothing wrong with debates and discussions... I mentioned to a friend a month ago how I miss those discussions that we had in the past, and it looks like I "invited" them back... hehehe...
As I said in the post, it's not a problem to discuss, but it's good to present to people that these are just TALKS, and nothing is set in stone... Not everyone reacts the same about it... Sometimes, it looks to me that Hivians tend to forget that HIVE is different than other chains, even different than your real life... In a way, you have the RIGHT to say and to object, which sometimes isn't the case IRL... We are suppressed in many ways and we shouldn't allow the same thing to happen here, on HIVE!
It's tough but I do agree that you can only change around what you support. I heard about the townhall but I haven't had as much time to watch it yet. I don't think removing the rewards pool will help much in attracting people to Hive. I don't anyone has any viable solution that really can replace it.
Don't get me wrong, I like discussions about how HIVE should evolve and grow as these discussions show that people DO MATTER... It's just that not everyone thinks in that way, or better said, feels in that way... When someone launches this big idea of removing rewards, some people get scared and that demotivates them to continue... And we see a kind of depression among people, and slowly fewer friends are around...
It's important to clarify that these are just talks and nothing will be implemented and pushed without the community consensus...
I have read quite a lot on this subject, but personally I do not think it will happen, at least not in the foreseeable future, not in a year or two.
Some of the rewards are already paid in H-E tokens anyway, at least in the Shadow Hunters community, which can be conditionally said to be L2.
I'm personally against it, because one of the reasons why people come here is because of the coin rewards. I also think it is unwise to exclude blogging as one of the components, or even the first and basic component of the Hive social network, from L1. That would be a shot in one's own knee. But, as we know from the past, the road to hell is always paved with good intentions ...
I do agree with all that you said! And you and I understand things how they are developing on HIVE... But, not everyone understands it like that, and that was a point of this post... We should present these discussions exactly what they are, just talk about the idea... and not like a finished thing!
Sometimes these acts produce anger and helpless feelings, and demotivate people to continue... I saw that lately among some of my friends here and it's not pleasant to see...
I agree that there should be such debates, and it is also true, as they say here, that no soup is eaten as hot as it is cooked...
We must always take all opinions into account but without forgetting to fight for what we believe.
I'm not very aware of these conversations but Hive is not here to lose users. The problem is that the power is in very few hands, which can be seen very clearly in the voting on the proposals. Only 5 accounts handle everything.
Yes, the situation is like you said... But when we have discussions like this one about the reward pool, people should dive in and see what are pros and cons... If that hurts the platform, we should fight against it and show why we think in that way... If it would even more centralize the chain, it would be bad again... But, if the platform and users will benefit, why not...
The deeper issue is that some people get scared even from these talks, easily get demotivated, and quit... I have to admit that even I had some negative thoughts after hearing these "ideas"... Luckily, I have noticed that the majority of people see the big picture, but they were in the "sleeping" mode... :)
I think we all have to recognise that everyone has their own opinions and it's not possible to have everyone agree on the same thing. We can always respect the differences and agree to disagree.
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That's true... Among others, I have my opinion, but sometimes I push too hard and it goes out of control... 😃 The bad thing is that sometimes it hurts people around me as they can't "recover" as fast as I do... I have to be more careful how I'm delivering the message...
Hehe we are all like that sometimes. Maybe it's because we are very passionate about the subject. ;)
It is a good idea TBH.
But the way it is explained, it makes no sense.
If executed in the current state, it is like taking 100 steps backward instead of moving forward.
The idea makes sense, but HIVE and our sidechain aren't ready for that at all! We don't have an infrastructure for that as our layer 2 is almost completely centralized and easily manipulative...
The thing is that people who understand that are scared about complete collapse if that happens... and as you said, it would kick us backward 100 steps...
Like you said, my friend, not all people are the same and some wear out very quickly. We should always think about them when we express our opinions. There are times when I can be sharp-tongued and upset people. I regret it a lot because of that.
I do that a lot! 😞 It's okay to be like that with close friends, that know you and you know how much they can bear... But, it's not okay to publicly go like that... I know that I'm doing that a lot... Will try to do better...
Thanks for the comment... You are probably the only person in the comment section who understood the point of the post!
I always read the overall post and comment accordingly. Not according to the photos haha.
I love how you said that Hive is complicated on one side and that is why someone like me is trying to find my way
That is also why newbies leave the platform for a while because of the complexity but kudos to you for the hive training sessions or what do I call it?
Hive is complicated from the tech side, but from the social side, it's not as complicated as it looks... But, it is true that newbies need to familiarize themselves with the idea and the purpose of all this... That's why we need tutorials, live sessions, and people sharing experience about it...
I think it’s good to discuss these things because the alternative is more damaging: shutting down with out debate or top down dictation.
We’ve seen what happens with that shit, look at the last 3 years of insanity. Debate and discussion are the most crucial and important things so we can flesh out the ideas and that’s when you see what really has merit and what’s a load of horse shit hot air.
I think removing the reward pool is a pretty foolish notion. It has its flaws for sure but what’s the alternative? Every other crypto out there. Go start a website on Solana and try to say it’s social media. You don’t earn the tokens but you have to buy them. It would die instantly, people are not interested in that nonsense.
I know hive has its issues but it’s pretty balanced and overall doing things well. There are things to improve for sure - as a community we should be against petty down vote wars because someone is butt hurt (some of the whales doing that the last year or so, amongst each other). It’s silly and just gives a negative vibe to it all. To remove the down votes and reward pool altogether though is not really a plan of action that would benefit the community. It would become a ghost town and we would be stuck looking for something else.
I also think that having the discussion about it exposes how short and lame some of the reasons are, and the plans for how to execute and go forward lack substance and real merit. If we didn’t talk about it, people wouldn’t see the foolishness of it so it was a good thing for it to be brought up!
Couldn't agree more with your words!
Removing it would convert HIVE into "any other token" out there, and there are plenty of them... Hive couldn't compete with them without having the social aspect of it... Hive IS a social media network... It wouldn't make sense...
Yeah, downvotes are giving that "negative vibe" to it all... and I think that's the main reason why HIVE didn't move forward in the last 2-3 years... Yes, we had/have other issues, but this negative vibe is following us... I do believe that we can find a better solution for plagiarism and abuse, which can't be exploited and abused as downvotes... While we leave space for abuse of power, there will be always some a-hole to use it...
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