Post Rewards After 7 Days? .:. Ph's Shorts 🩳

When I first joined Hive, I thought “why do we have to wait 7 days?” but then it made sense because if it's 1 day, a lot of malicious people can use it for farming. There are still people who do that, but it's easier to be detected in 7 days.

Of course I know you're talking about something different, I just thought I'd mention it because it occurred to me. I think the only way for now is to send the author some Hive! I've done this in the past for Hive Gaming via @ocd, sending liquid Hive to users who commented great and to users whose posts got less rewards than they deserved.

Ads are a pretty bad idea on Hive at this point, in my opinion, given the reduced number of users and their concentration in countries where advertisers pay very low prices for ads.

Maybe we should learn a bit from Web 2 too, since they are experts in advertising revenue online. They are learning from Web 3 in other aspects. FB for example, had no ads on their platform until they passed 1m users or so. And they were all from the US, where advertisers pay very well for such potential customers.

I am thinking that something at L2 makes sense. Maybe not on Hive-Engine. Here's my rough idea at the moment. It probably needs smart contracts to work. I haven't thought enough about it, so it may not be feasible or maybe could be improved. But here it is:

Based on the HP a curator has and a multiplication factor (likely between 0 and 1, so, practically a divider of the HP amount), they receive a regular airdrop of an L2 token used for rewarding older posts. Maybe instead of the HP amount, the curation rewards from the last 30 days should be considered, or something like that.

The multiplication factor starts high and lowers over time if the curator doesn't gift some of the received tokens to old content. Increases again if they become active in curating old content.

The L2 tokens airdropped can be sold, transferred, or gifted as an additional reward for old content. By gifting it, one ensures a higher multiplier for a higher airdrop of the same token. If they sell or transfer it, the multiplier drops because they don't gift it.

The receiver of the gift can at their turn gift it to others and increase their own multiplier, or sell it and cash out.

I hope I haven't missed anything important. Let me know what you think. I know it's complicated, but it is an idea.

I think for older content we should have a different token or different ability - we can get assets on the post but any returns on it are only available as paid out stake and it’s not withdrawable for 6 months. I don’t think those are unreasonable things to try and require but it might be a nightmare to program lol.

We do need a way to improve our SEO beyond 7 days and incentive it!

I love the idea of rewarding content past the 7 day payout window.

1. I think we need to start considering the value-for-value philosophy more. This means, if you find an old post valuable, why not give some value directly to that author. here are two ways:
   a) Give a tip. There's a tip button on every post page where you can give the author 1 $HBD for example.
   b) You can make a comment. Even if it's an old post. If the author responds to the comment, you can upvote the new comment and he/she will get some HP from the reward pool
   2)Have a DHF proposal that goes searching for good quality content and does the above (tip or comment).

There are ways.

Hm but how would be rewarded? I mean still with upvotes or just by view? Because if we attract people outside hive that found a particular link they will not upvote, but by view will be abusable... And the token used as reward might get hard inflated

I think it depends. The 7 day structure was built to stop people from abusing the system, but SEO itself is hard on Hive. We have too many front-ends with the same content so all of them are competing with each other. I don't have any good solutions.

Hmm it's an interesting thought. I think it's more art than science so there's no magic number. I think any reasonable number, be it the current 7, or 10, or 14, would actually be okay. 1 month and beyond is probably stretching it a little but I thought anyway, everyone is being constrained by the voting mana as well.

P.S. Are tipping posts lifetime? If so, actually there is already a lifetime reward mechanism in place.

I think the tokenomics or the system will suffer when there are rewards beyond the 7 days payout. I think it's possible we find other creative ways to do it. However, I just don't think we're that powerhouse. There are issues like the debt ratio and the HBD APR, other expenses like the value plan expenses and all that.. except perhaps we get huge external investors

Leo was trying ads, they still have some ideas. Peakd is testing ads, still hard to track views because we all try to block tracking :D

Travelfeed had and option (think they still have it) where you could make your own blog page (it was pretty easy to set up) with ad placement if and how you want it. I think they never pushed it a lot because the interest for it was low.

Think peakd had an idea of easy setup of your own customizable blog. I think they abandoned it.

There are several communities that set up their own frontend, so they could potentially earn from higher view count.

i am sure there would be someone who could make an option for you to create your own blog from your content (or even from parts of your content) if there was enough of an interest for it.

"Leoads" was step in the same direction and it is now scrapped, I guess.

I guess, another problem in Hive is very well explained in acidiyo post

https://peakd.com/rant/@acidyo/value

It require top to down effort to think and implement, whether sharing ad revenue, frontend competition and so on.

That sounds like a good idea to me, a second token for a lifetime; let's say you reduce it to three years or something.
But isn't it the same with H-E tokens set to 7 days? Is it possible to change that?

It's good idea to be rewarded and after 7days. Back to the memories I saw/heard such suggestions, if I'm not wrong, somewhere at Leofinance from creators, but I don't know how it has been finished or just stayed as idea. Anyway I think here will be enough people who will support such initiative!

Rewarding post with good content after 7 days is fine for me. Some people read blogs which they can learn.

Seems a pretty cool idea. EG tokens. I guess it about what brings value to that EG token.

There was talk for a while over on Leo about "evergreen" content and using ad revenue to reward posts indefinitely. Not really sure what happened with that.

There may be a separate prize pool for the next 7 days and these should be in periods. Prize pool for the last 3 months, prize pool for the last 12 months, prize pool for the last 2-3-4-5-6-7 years. There should be only HBD distribution.

@tipu curate

!BBH !HBIT

Interesting idea, and much to think about with respect to mechanics and creating the underlying Hive Power to make it function well.

I went back to an older post of your and left a comment there with some thoughts.
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@alohaed/re-ph1102-2025112t134613202z

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