I am alive and thriving! #Challenge I'm alive. Daily entry #2 / ¡Estoy vivo y prosperando! #Desafío estoy vivo. Entrada diaria #2. ESP/EN.
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Saludos a la tribu de #wearealive, al igual que a todos mis lectores. Hoy es mi segundo día del #Desafío: Estoy vivo y hoy me costó un poco, ya que no tengo muchas ganas de escribir, pero si algo aprendí en la vida, es que hay que ser responsable y consecuente con los planes que uno se propone en la vida, ya que es la única forma de verles resultados a mediano y largo plazo. | Greetings to the #wearealive tribe, as well as to all my readers. Today is my second day of the #Challenge: I'm alive and today it cost me a little, since I don't really feel like writing, but if I've learned anything in life, it's that you have to be responsible and consistent with the plans that you propose in life, since it's the only way to see results in the medium and long term. |
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Mí día | My day |
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El día de hoy no ha sido un día con mucho movimiento para mí; también se debe a que es domingo y tenemos la costumbre de que es un día de descanso.Hoy me levanté tarde, casi a las 10 de la mañana; tenía flojera de levantarme. Y después de asearme y saludar a la familia, me subí a la bicicleta estática y comencé a hacer ejercicios. Hago bicicleta toda la semana, pero dejando un día de intermedio.Haciendo así un día de cardio, abdominales y flexiones, y el otro día trabajo con fuerza y pesas. Y hoy tocaba bicicleta y realicé 45 minutos; después pasé a los abdominales, pero no hice flexiones el día de hoy.Después del ejercicio vino el desayuno y luego me senté en la PC a revisar los correos, actualizar mi estado en los juegos de Hive y en Prospectors y revisar y responder los comentarios en mis posts.Cuando revisé mis posts, vi que seguía presentándose una situación rara con HSBI y les escribí una carta; se las pasé al Discord y luego decidí hacer este post. | Today has not been a busy day for me; it's also because it's Sunday and we have a habit that it's a rest day.I woke up late today, almost at 10 in the morning; I was too lazy to get up. And after I cleaned up and greeted the family, I got on the exercise bike and started doing exercises. I bike all week, but leaving one day in between.So doing one day of cardio, sit-ups and push-ups, and the other day I work with strength and weights. And today I was playing bicycle and I did 45 minutes; then I moved on to the abs, but I didn't do push-ups today.After the exercise, breakfast came and then I sat down at the PC to check the emails, update my status in the Hive games and in Prospectors and review and respond to the comments on my posts.When I checked my posts, I saw that there was still a strange situation with HSBI and I wrote them a letter; I passed them to Discord and then I decided to make this post. |
El problema de algunos proyectos de Hive. | The problem with some Hive projects. |
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Últimamente hemos visto cómo algunos proyectos de Hive dejan de funcionar o simplemente dejan de existir, dejando a las personas que invirtieron en ellos, sea mucha o poca cantidad, muy mal paradas y a disgusto con la situación. Otra situación que se presenta es que algunos proyectos hacen cambios, o uno se da cuenta de que, en vez de trabajar de forma automática, realmente lo hacen bajo el criterio de individuos y uno se ve afectado por las decisiones y criterios de terceros. Esto último fue lo que me pasó con el proyecto HSBI. Yo, en ese proyecto, hasta ahora he invertido unos 165 Hive, pero tuve un patrocinador que me donó 2000 HSBI, y además delegó 100 a mi cuenta de HSBI, lo que suma un total de 2100 HSBI. Ahora bien, ese mismo patrocinador, me votó unos posts apoyándome con su poder de HSBI; fueron varios posts por 4 días, entre 7 y 8 posts. Después dejé de recibir el voto de HSBI con el apoyo del compañero, pero también dejé de recibir el voto con el valor total de los tokens que tenía en mi cuenta. Al ver esto, escribí en el Discord de HSBI y pregunté si había algún problema; pensé que la situación se debía al problema de los nodos que se estaba presentando en Hive en esos momentos, pero la respuesta del compañero de soporte fue muy clara:
| Lately we have seen how some Hive projects stop working or simply cease to exist, leaving the people who invested in them, whether a lot or a little amount, very badly stopped and disgusted with the situation. Another situation that arises is that some projects make changes, or one realizes that, instead of working automatically, they really do it under the criteria of individuals and one is affected by the decisions and criteria of third parties. The latter is what happened to me with the HSBI project. I, in that project, have invested about 165 Hive so far, but I had a sponsor who donated 2000 HSBI to me, and also delegated 100 to my HSBI account, which adds up to a total of 2100 HSBI. Now, that same sponsor, voted me some posts supporting me with his HSBI power; there were several posts for 4 days, between 7 and 8 posts. Then I stopped receiving the HSBI vote with the support of the colleague, but I also stopped receiving the vote with the full value of the tokens I had in my account. Seeing this, I wrote in the HSBI Discord and asked if there was any problem; I thought the situation was due to the node problem that was being presented in Hive at that time, but the response of the support colleague was very clear:
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Crece en Hive con el apoyo de Crypto Company.
#Archon, es una comunidad que apoya proyectos, resuelve problemas, y te ayuda a crecer en Hive.
The projects on HIVE (many) are slippery slope! We need to be very cautious walking with them.
Sorry to hear that you are having some issues with HSBI project. It is a good and solid project as much as I know and many many authors are involved with it. If there is any misunderstanding, I hope that you can resolve with them.
!ALIVE
Hi, how are you?
Thank you very much for the comment.
Yes, it is possible that there is some misunderstanding with the people of HSBI, more because of the terrible way of communication and perhaps because of the use of translators.
I have been annoyed, since the messages two weeks ago that they sent on the Discord, where there were two comments that generated a lot of doubts and that I didn't like at all, the first about votes that I received, that for them were undeserved, or by what hands the comment was translated, the second about a discount for those votes.
From these comments, I have the doubt whether it is true or not that the system is fully automated or it can be compromised at the discretion of one of the administrators.
That could have happened due to a communication problem and maybe a bad translation by the translator, but that answer doesn't fit me at all.
The second thing, which is what causes me the most doubts, is that after those comments, my vote value did not grow after two weeks.
And after spending 24 hours without publishing, with more than 2000 tokens the value of the vote reached 0.25 it does not seem logical to me, since with 75 tokens I received votes of 0.09 and 0.16 when I spent the same time without writing.
And I really don't care anymore if they vote for me or not, I don't feel at all comfortable with that project anymore, and maybe it's a misunderstanding as you say, but I got where I needed to get with them.
Unfortunately I can't log out and close the account, because to do so I have to pay in Hive the amount of tokens I have and that's something I'm not going to do and even less when I've already lost all kind of trust in that project.
But definitely, it's not worth wasting more time on this, my decision is simple, not to invest even a Hive more in that project, or communicate with those people anymore.
The best thing is that everyone goes their own way and preferably that there is no relationship between the parties.
My best wishes.
Please stop repeating this falsehood.
We will respect this by marking your account for our skiplist.
We are sorry that 12% APR seems inadequate to you and that you are unwilling to learn how our program actually works.
You can still cash out your entire $207 redeemable value:
1- Send 3 HBD to @steembasicincome with
sbi-tokensin the memo.2- Wait up to 3 hours for processing
3- Receive back 0.833 HBD and 2167 HSBI tokens (on hive-engine)
4- Sell your 2167 HSBI tokens on Hive Engine for at least 1029 HIVE in value
Since you have spent less than 200 HIVE, you make out like a bandit. And we are letting you, because this value was provided to you by others, with no manual discretion on our part at any point.
Entirely his misunderstanding. We have tried to help him understand how it works many times and he is either using terrible translation software or not actually reading our explanation.
We have provided clear instructions on how to cash out his $207 in unit value for less than 3 HBD and he continues to repeat his false misunderstanding that it would take 2200 HIVE to close his account.
All from a faulty expectation that $207 in unit value should earn more than 0.25 per day. That's already 22% APR on redeemable value, or 11% APR for the original sponsor.
We do not appreciate libel. These statements that you make are false.
The process is fully automate, and the code is open-source. Our github repo is available for review at https://github.com/josephsavage/hive-sbi-v2https://github.com/josephsavage/hive-sbi-v2
As I communicated to you in our server, your account has never been sanctioned by us in anyway. It is clearly stated in our documentation that we can skiplist accounts entirely for abusive behavior, but that would mean no votes, not a curtailment of votes.
Your readers can assess the situation for themselves.
You are welcome to draw your own conclusions. I have audited twenty votes on your account from mid-July (several before the release that impacted your account and even more after) and found that you have received substantially more votes than you should have (due to your use of d.buzz and how votes on d.buzz posts are scored at blockchain level) but that there was never any decrease in pending balance not explained by your own posting behavior.
Your failure to understand our automated system does not mean that it is not working correctly (although I do appreciate that auditing your votes will help us close the dbuzz value leak and save our members thousands of HIVE yearly in lost curation value).
Subject: Formal complaint and request for clarification about my HSBI account
Greetings, good afternoon.
I wish to file a formal complaint and request a clear explanation regarding the operation of my account at HSBI, as the current situation generates a profound lack of trust in the project and its management.
Yesterday I published a post after more than 24 hours without doing so, and the vote received was barely 0.28.
Today, after more than 16 hours without posting, the vote was even lower: 0.23.
This is unacceptable, considering that I have 2,263 HSBI in my account.
Almost two weeks ago you reported that I had been given some votes by the user @ecoinstan that “supposedly did not correspond” and that they would be discounted.
However, after that announcement, the votes not only dropped dramatically, but never recovered, which shows that the system is not working fairly or transparently.
In addition, at the time it was also pointed out that part of my HSBI were purchased (about 150) and the rest allocated by a sponsor.
But it is important to clarify that the HSBI works with the sponsorship system, where every time a person buys an HSBI, he sponsors another user.
Therefore, the comment made two weeks ago about the 2,100 HSBI that were sponsored to my account is totally out of place, since that is precisely how the project works.
I do not know if this is a translation or interpretation problem, but this confusion further increases my doubts about the way the system is managed.
Given this, I have three very specific questions:
1- How long will they continue to manipulate the real value of my account?
My 2,263 HSBI should reflect a much higher voting power, but the system seems to be managed at the discretion of a few, which does not generate trust, but a feeling of arbitrary management.
2- Do they plan to normalize the functioning of my account or will it continue to depend on the criteria of the administrators?
If the answer is “that's how it works”, then it should be openly recognized that the system is not automatic or transparent, but depends on human decisions that directly affect the trust of users.
3- If there is no convincing solution or explanation, I request that the HSBI be returned to my sponsor and that the invested 165 Hive be refunded to me, since I prefer to allocate them to a truly community project, transparent and without personal discretion.
I clarify that I have not committed any fault.
My only "mistake” was trusting in a system that, apparently, offers no guarantees or security to those who participate in it.
Out of respect for my time and investment, I would appreciate a clear, direct and timely response.
Best regards,
@osomar357
The code is open source and the project is not discretionary. The experience you are describing is exactly as expected given your particular circumstances. Did you read the pending balances documentation already?
To wit, in response to your items:
1- there is no manipulation of your account.
2- as there is no manipulation, there is nothing to normalize
3- you can't request a refund on somebody else's behalf, and all members can manage their own refund using the tokenization facility we announced this week
But let me explain your particular situation. Every hive sbi member receives a particular amount of pending balance every 2.4 hours, per unit. No member receives a different amount per unit than any other member
That pending balance stays on your account until you post. We try to deliver 1/3 of your balance every post, but that is not always possible because it could be more than the maximum we can vote at a time
For people with high unit levels or low post frequency, that sometimes means the pending balance gets very high. You can see examples of that on the rich list on our website
josephsavage — 4:25 PM
To encourage distribution of those balances into the community, we released a functionality that any member can transfer their pending balance to others, $5 or more at a time
When that happens, the recipient member has a high pending balance that came externally to their own unit levels
Typically at current HIVE prices 2200 units would earn maybe $0.25 per day, but the actual rate is dynamic based on VP, so a bit lower
At equilibrium, that account would fluctuate between $0.50 and $0.75 per day, as their balance gradually recharge and then is consumed
Now, suppose they post and a hive sbi member with a large pending balance sees it and decides they deserve more and transfer $5 to their pending balance. Now they have 5.75 next post instead of 0.75. 0.25 from their units and 5 from outside support
josephsavage — 4:33 PM
Now the next post is voted at 1.91 instead of 0.25, or a little less if VP is low and we can't do 1.91
3.83 remains and next day another 0.25 accrual, they are at 4.18 when they post and it goes down from 1.91 to 1.36
It will continue dropping every day until they get to the 0.25 sustainable rate
Skipping a day means you accrue 0.50 instead of 0.25 but the vote still goes down because that's still less than the 1.36 you just got
Throw in some unit increase in the middle and accrual goes up but not as fast as balance decreased and it feels even stranger
Add in dynamic accrual rates and it is even more confusing
But your whole confusing situation is because somebody gifted you $5 or more on multiple occasions without telling you
If you want to return the gift I can show you the specific transaction syntax to return as much of it as you still have
That will meet your request and "normalize" your account so your pending balance comes only from your own units
But from the perspective of Hive SBI, your account works exactly like any other and has never received special treatment, either to the positive or to the negative
Perfect, but I disagree, as it worked differently before, and it shows in the votes before @ecoinstan voted for me, but I'm not going to argue that.
Anyway, the mistake is mine to have invested there and thank God it was little.
2 Questions:
i'm working on a post-by-post playthrough of your voting history from before the first lovegun. so far the only oddity is that dbuzz should be skipped, but they changed the way they identify their app, so i need to add it to the body check
you can stop the flooid of comments at any point
josephsavage — 5:45 PM
you are confusing two different things
you received 2000 units from freecompliments in April at the time that they shut down
Separately, you received substantial pending balance injections from ecoinstant on two separate occasions
the handful of votes that i audited before lovegun release behaved exactly as expected (as you can see in our recent comment history on your posts)
josephsavage — 5:48 PM
the process for both 1 and 2 are detailed in the posts and documents that I already shared with you, so your disagreement indicates that you expect me to say "yes, you're right, something is wrong" instead of you taking the time to learn how it works (or accept that it is working correctly)
you currently have a pending balance estimate of 0.30
you can ship that back to @Eco by sending 0.005 HIVE to @steembasicincome with ecoinstant as the transaction memo
You have 2163 standard units. You can liquidate those entirely by sending 2.263 HBD to @steembasicincome with sbi-tokens in the transaction memo
That account will receive the units and return you the HSBI token on Hive Engine, which you can sell on that market
josephsavage — 5:55 PM
the old refund policy is gone, and replaced by the new liquidation via tokenization and sale process, which is more generous terms for everyone
Okay, no problem, I don't want to make that transition.
Everything will stay as it is.
Anyway, I hope I don't bother you anymore.
Happy evening.
Parece que tuviste un día tranquilo pero productivo, aprovechaste el tiempo para cuidar de tu salud con ejercicio y también para ponerte al día con tus actividades en línea.
Lo de HSBI suena interesante, espero que puedan resolver esa situación pronto.
!ALIVE
!WINE
Hola, feliz día.
Si fue un día productivo, muchas gracias por el comentario.
Con lo de HSBI, no hay nada que discutir, lamentablemente me salí del Discord, de no ser así te pondría el dialogo donde dice que tengo votos no merecidos y que deben descontar.
Y no sé si son los traductores pero la comunicación con esa gente no es ni ha sido nunca fluida.
Si por mi fuera no lo usaría más y para salir debo pagar 2163 Hive, en sí no vale la pena.
Finalmente, invertir 2000 Hive para un voto de 0.25 cada 24 como ellos dicen no es negocio.
Y sostengo lo que digo, ni un céntimo más y ninguna comunicación para ese proyecto, no vale la pena.
Mis saludos.
Again, I think you need better translation software.
In the conversation on Discord (that we already shared as a comment on your post, we clearly stated that if you send 2.163 HBD (not 2163 HIVE) then you will received tokenized HSBI that you can sell on Hive Engine for more than our old Refund Policy would have gotten you. We are aware that some countries use different decimalization, so that could be a source of confusion. If you are confused by the decimals, you can send 3 HBD and the bot will send back the surplus.
As far as your objection to spending 2000 HIVE for 0.25 daily upvotes... 2000 HIVE is only 382 dollars at current prices. 0.25 daily is over $91 over the course of a year. After accounting for the author payout being only 50% that's an estimated 11.9% APR
Any user that didn't already rage-quit our Discord can search for APR in the comment history and see that we have consistently estimated the APR to be around 12% for many years.
We don't care if you keep sponsoring people into the program, but we do care that you keep lying to others about what occurred here.
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We provided the steps that user can take to resolve the situation. There is no error or issue in how our fully automated system is working, and no management discretion was involved in this case.
It is entirely an issue of the user not understanding how our system works, and not understanding the clear steps we provided for them to fully cash out (all automated, no management discretion).
Resolution is entirely in their hands.
Hey! Because of your participation in the @CryptoCompany community and your participation in the "Banner for Boost" campaign you received a vote from your CryptoCompany and its trail! Thank you & Hive a great day!