Thoughts on AUTO-VOTES
Have you ever wondered why certain countries legalize guns while others do not? Should not it be a tool for enforcing laws or providing protection? Unfortunately, a gun is too powerful to be black or white. There are gray areas in the discussion or legalization of guns, even if they are only a tool.
Take a look at a hacker.
When hackers are caught, they are rarely sentenced to death; instead, they are imprisoned for life or placed under house arrest. Why?
They are a valuable asset when used properly, but they can also cripple a country's economy and cause national damage. Their coding skills have the potential to be revolutionary, but they choose to use them for criminal purposes. The skills themselves are not the problem; it is how they are applied that is.
Auto vote is a Hive tool
..... and because of how it can influence how the reward pool is distributed, we have never been able to determine whether it is beneficial or detrimental. Yes, the influence it carries is the reason, but there is no reason to agree that it is entirely good or bad.
Personally, I have auto-votes on and for. This tool allows me to schedule my voting power, direct it where it should go, and, most importantly, ensure that I never reach 100%. Why is it so important that it does not reach 100%? Because if it does, it benefits no one.
Automation is evidence of evolution.
We can't ask people to come in, invest on the token and still force to spend time to earn the APR (ROI) we promised them by doing the curation job, they can choose to do it of their own free will, but we know that in-real-life events can stop people from fully participating here, which is completely understandable and why we have options for automation.
Sure, if they do this, it will be better for the Blockchain's health, but we must also offer them the concept of "sleep and let my money work for me."
This magical ad word is also one of our strongest suits, right?
Whether an investor or a user prefers, they should have the option of doing it manually or automatically. If someone chooses the automatic option, it implies that whoever they choose to automate their vote for may abuse it.
Abuse is harmful to the Blockchain, diluting the value of an investor's or user's investment; however, even though this is a possibility and is evident on-chain, we cannot remove the automation of votes because this is how your investment works for you if you choose to be vested but not emotionally or actively involved with the chain. However, this is difficult to do.
On the other hand, it is difficult for an investor not to become emotionally involved with their investment; however, some Hive investors who are actively using auto votes to earn ROI on their investments trust the systems to combat abuse; unfortunately, they forget that they must share some of those responsibilities.
It is not news that many users who benefit from auto votes abuse the system. I believe it is a human tendency. People have a tendency to abuse the privileges that have been bestowed upon them; they occasionally succumb to this temptation and allow themselves to be carried away.
We can not fight how people choose to abuse their privileges; sometimes they will interpret it incorrectly, and it will turn into a war. Most people try to combat abuse with downvotes, but downvotes cause chaos and should only be used as a last resort.
This is why I believe withdrawal, check and balance, and constant awareness and presence by investors and users are the most effective ways to prevent abuse.
For example, a person abusing auto votes can be checked by the group of people who granted them these privileges. When this occurs, the abuser has no reason to complain because they already know why their privileges have been revoked, but this is where the problem arises.
More than half of the people/users/investors who set up autos and add abusers become too lazy to monitor their autos or the on-chain activities of these accounts. This again reminds us that curation takes time. It takes time because it requires setting autos, adding, removing, and readjusting.
Downvotes was supposed to be the last resort
This is why we now have partial sheriffs or mopols on the Blockchain who use downvotes to combat automated abuse.
This shouldn't have been the way, but because the individual who should share the responsibility of curbing abuse have grown complacent with their autos when they could have just spent a little time to redirectthat auto somewhere else.
People will always abuse privileges, with the exception of those who have been disciplined and demonstrate some form of decency and contentment. When there are no check and balance, people can slip into greed, irresponsibility and abuse.
This boils down to the fact that Curation is a time-consuming task, and as a result, abuse of autos thrives throughout the chain. Is this the fault of the tool? No. I have seen countless instances of abuse thrive on the chain; someone commented on my previous post and pointed this out, and they were correct.
The elephant in the room
However, we fail to address the elephant in the room: the stakeholders who enable this to flourish. I know a big investor/account that only does autos, and 95% of their autos are completely abused. The last time this account was present on-chain was probably years ago and have hardly visited those autos.
I understand that a curation reward is a curation reward, regardless of whether it was obtained from an abuser, but these rewards must be of sufficient value for the investor to consistently remain profitable and compound their earnings.
The biggest culprits are those who allow abusers to operate freely, and I believe we do not look at it enough from this perspective.
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Interesting topic.. as far as I'm concerned I'm not one who is against automatic votes, but I, as a small user, prefer to read and upvote posts depending on their quality. Giving a good void to a post that I haven't read and that could be of poor quality doesn't please me. However, I understand that by doing so I don't encourage those who need to grow. As for voting on my own posts, I never do it.
I'm a manual curator 80% of the time, just like you. However a lot of bigger accounts with huge stakes set up auto votes and completely vanish from the Blockchain. This is the main reason for this post. These type of auto-setters are the ones that are responsible for the abuse of autos.
Greetings @josediccus ,
You have given us something to think about.
There are valid reasons for using auto-votes to be sure...just as you noted.
It is hard to say what needs to change.... 'misused/abused auto-votes' is probably not even one percent of the user base. If it is greater and hurts the Hive economy then it perhaps warrants a change of policy to close existing loop holes.
Curation in whatever form is part of participation at Hive and requires a bit of care whether manual or automated.
Appreciate reading your thoughts.
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Seems like there will always be system abusers, no matter what your system is, nor how many safeguards we might set up to prevent abuse.
Whereas I am in favor of auto votes — even as a tiny account — perhaps there need to be certain limitations; perhaps a variation of what is built into the system wide rules concerning governance votes? At least that would address those with large stakes who just set up auto-voting and never come back.
Consider, for example, that perhaps your auto-voting setup simply expires if you don't log in and manually check your vote set-up at least every three months. Or six months... or however long we might arbitrarily decide it takes for someone to start skating by with poor content.
I realize it wouldn't be propular with the "invest and leave it autopilot" crowd, but to what extent to we really want a venue that is allegedly "social" to be passive?
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I think it's a brilliant idea in my opinion, and once in three months, no one would complain that it's going to be a problem for them. I think this way, people who set up autos can check back and see what's going on with their setup.
However I still think some of these big auto-vote owners might still go ahead to set the votes up again for the same abusers because they might not want to put in adequate time to maybe discover new content creator that needs support.
Unfortunately, a lot of investors wants to "invest and leave it" and only come back when it's profitable to take profit. There are two or three accounts that are almost whale level that hardly check their autos, but I'm sure they'll be back during the full bull run to take profit.
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Honestly, if you are a big stake and don't want to do manual curation, you just follow a curation trail for a good curator or just delegate to other projects who give back daily Apr... I don't like autovotes as they are often abused
Most big accounts that does auto Curation don't do this. It's saddening, perhaps they feel they don't want to put that much effort to look for curation projects to delegate to. I think the problem lies in the idea that curation is Curation, and it doesn't matter whether it's gotten from an abuser
It's sure is saddening because it's in their interest too that the token doesn't get abused + dumped to death, and also give hive a bad look from outside
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Those big accounts that auto-vote only are a real abuse. People getting huge curations even if their content becomes horrible. I use them although I have to admit I am using them much less than I used to do it. It will always be a hot button issue for some people, but used properly I think it's a great tool.
I use it less these days and do more manual Curation, but mostly days when I'm out sick or something, it's the autos that makes sure my VP don't hit 100%. It's a very useful tool that abusers take advantage of, unfortunately most of the big Auto-givers don't care that much
I think it's hard to avoid abuse. People will always try to get an advantage where they can, and I agree that the autovotes can be easily abused. It's too bad, but some of those accounts just aren't around anymore. It sucks to see, but unless the system changes, I don't think anyone would want to touch this issue directly. I agree that curation is hard work.
Curation is hardwork like we've both agreed. This hardness makes owners of big stake very complacent. However, these people can just easily delegate their stake to reputable curation projects like OCD and let it work for them, it's better.
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Abuse is a common thing with man. Greed and selfishness are some of the things that brought so many people down.
Auto-vote is a sign of trust and love. I think this alone should register to anyone that it is a privilege, if not, everyone on the Blockchain should be having auto-vote from one whale or the other.
This should be more reason why the person placed on auto vote should show gratitude by doing the right thing, I believe that is not too much to ask.
Well, humans will always be humans, the idea of paying any form of abuse of auto vote by revoking the privilege sounds best for me. Although, it hurts when you try to help someone grow and the person thinks he/she is smart. Things like that triggers emotions and I am sure that's why some people go as far as to downvote such abusers.
Thanks for sharing this with us sir. We will take caution.
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STOPNah! autovotes obviously are always detrimental within a "social" environment and evidently bad to establish healthy interactions and nurture authentic human relationships. Automated voting and its use are only useful for lazy, selfish, greedy and illiterate people with no interest of their peers at all.
And if we continue to allow, celebrate and applaud the excessive use and abuse of automation in an ecosystem in which human-created content is king. Then why the hell we should call such a soulless place a "social network"?
There's no excuse. Either you participate actively and organically in a community of living beings as you should, or you can take your investment, capital, HP and greed to hell.
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I'd rather have the tools and the option to use them for good or bad than to be trapped in the stone age...
Exactly, I wonder why anyone will think it's a bad tool, when it's just an evidence of advancement and automation. I mean, it's crazy..