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Before I reply to your questions. I would like state that the following is my experience and opinion which I have formed. Others might have different outlook about it and I respect that. I am not trying to insult or offend any of you. 🙂
@stayoutoftherz and @vikisecrets thank you for the clarification. I am aware of the meetup term in general. The reality of the hive meetup is different than what you stated because the rules are set or rather pushed by the organizer. So when I was a newcomer I also thought everyone in hive has done a workshop; at least that is how it was presented to me. Kindly read my reply below to @solymi .
@digitalmike Now I have learnt that it depends who introduced you to hive. I can understand why you would think this is just another story. I raised the concern in the telegram group immediately after the meetup this month (2nd February). Anyone in the group can check the chat but here is the exact quote from the meetup organizer: "First workshop then Meetup it's always better to be first on hive with a buddy". And you can see in the chat that @solymi also opposed to such a statement. I appreciated that!
@solymi Yes, it has happened to me. It was when some of the Hive members were at the Block & Wine meetup. I was told by one of the Hive member that only a Hive-person can join the hive vienna meetup. Anyone can join hive for free but to be part of the community it is recommended that I take a workshop first (this conversation was in-person so no proof).
But here is the conversation from the chat with the same person after the Block & Wine meetup. I am using HiveP (hive person who talked with me for the first time) to keep that person anonymous. I can show you the chat when we meet as it is a private conversation.
[HiveP] Do you want to make a workshop with me?
[Me] hey, ya that would be cool! do you have time after lunch this weekend?
[HiveP] Yes.
When do you have time? The workshop is 50€. I will help you to setup your own blog/wallet and we will publish your introduction to the full Hive Community 😉
[Me] Shouldn't that information be publicly available? Sounds strange when you are charging for introduction to the Hive community. Well if it is paid, let's talk about in person at the meetup
(here it is Block&Wine meetup)
[HiveP] Yes you can also do it without my support. If you want to be visible to all the Hive community then you can invest a bit in a workshop... Your choice but I cannot help everyone for free...
[Me] thanks! will think about it
Under the above pretext I paid for the workshop for introduction to the hive blockchain and community. During the workshop I was added to the discord and telegram group, which was told to be an active community. However, it has been a few months and there is hardly any activity. Additionally, I was told that if I refer a friend to take this workshop, I will be offered a referral HBD.
In another Block & Wine meetup, I met few others who have a similar story. They were offered to take a workshop to get an exposure to the hive community. And since we were new-comers, we would have not known that there are other Hivians who voluntarily help new-comers to join hive.
Lastly, would like to add it is not about few euros paid for the workshop, but rather the reality of how hive was introduced to some people.
I understand. If a workshop was offered, it seems obvious that paid counseling was offered. “Time is money” everyone knows. The event series Block & Wine is a commercial series of events aimed at doing business and enables transactions and networking between participants - even if the event itself is held free of charge. The fact that one or the other business offer was made in the course of such an event is therefore nothing unusual. Bundled first-hand knowledge is valuable - it was offered to you and you paid for it.
That it depends who introduces you to hive is true - as always in life - friends and some friendly communities are happy to help to a certain extend free of charge, but in everyday business you have to pay for services.
The question that arises is whether the service offered was proper provided, because then it's ok. You implied that things were promised that were not true or not kept. If that's the case, then of course that's not okay at all. So I suggest discussing this directly with the people involved. And if there are any issues you are now part of the community that has a lot of helping hands - as the others stated - there will be people helping you to compensate any loss.
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I am immensely sorry that you and other newbies were ripped off so outrageously.
Hive is free for everyone to use. Also, no one is expected to purchase Hive or HBD.
I can only apologize sincerely on behalf of all honest Hivers for this behavior and would be very happy if you can regain trust in Hive.
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Just wow. I am speechless.
HiveP I wonder who that is...
I am deeply shocked. I have no words.
This is so fucked up on so many levels I can't even contemplate.
I am sorry this happened to you! Although my upvotes are not as big as those of Stayoutoftherz I will ensure you earn those 50€ back.
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This is totally crazy! I strongly suggest to avoid any advice from that person [HiveP] for good! I am so sorry that you were tricked in such a fraudulent activity! I will do some extra upvotes for you to compensate a litte at least.
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To @cryptopi: We had a talk at block and wine, were we presented the blockchain. You attended this event as well as several others here that's why I was wondering....https://peakd.com/meetup/@manncpt/presenting-the-hive-blockchain-cryptoblogging-nfts-and-games-at-block-and-wine-prasentation-der-hive-blockchain-krypto-bloggen- @solymi, @vikisecrets and I told you that there is a way to get a hive account for free. You got it. @solymi shared his account creation token. I offered you a @cryptobrunch workshop as well as others there like @kseniswelt. You took it and we manged together a good start on hive with intro and welcome post of mine at the Edison Cafe https://peakd.com/meetup/@manncpt/cryptoblogger-workshop-with-cryptopi314 Everything was fine... Since then you attended three #HiveMeetupVienna events where I payed for your nice @hivebuzz badge and you got every time as well a payout from the invitaions... I even deligated you on top 50HP and supported all your post with my private account and cryptoblogger telegram group. Now you dont mention the organizer who brough you in... looks like a little defamation in total... When I would have known this reaction I would have asked someone else. That's why I unfollowed you as you did. You are still invited to join us on Thursday to come back to peace and find maybe a happy ending in the community.
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!PIZZA !wine !LUV !WITZ
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