(Image above borrowed from the enginewitty post... because it is PERFECT)
Sometimes you read a post that echoes sentiments so closely, you want everyone to read and consider. @enginewitty has written a post like that. Please take the time to read it:
https://ecency.com/hive-196233/@enginewitty/witty-chimes-in
Token exchange for curation still exist, they are not illegal, unethical or immoral.
They also shouldn't be SECRET, like it's some shameful back-ally thing. They should be transparent, open to constructive criticism, constantly improved, tweaked, and they should not be threatened.
With the sudden "bidbot" scare, it's important for the HIVE community to see both sides of the coin. Rather than just assuming a consensus opinion, there is some important CONTEXT to view and understand. And I think Witty explained it pretty well.
Witty asked a very important question to some high powered whales, who are suddenly very concerned with the return of (what are being called) "bidbots". Witty asks:
Since you pay people to delegate to your curative efforts, even if they (votes) are done manually, you are still using other people's HP and paying them for it. The question then is, how is that any different from buying a vote?
A curator paying tokens for HP delegation to curate and profit from curation rewards, VS a content producer paying tokens for a curation and profiting from the author reward - how are these different? Both are "pay to play" schemes.
If anything, the AUTHOR puts forth his OWN creative energy for the author reward profit, while the CURATOR is using BORROWED HP for the curation reward profit.
I don't have a problem with either scenario, in fact both of these offer opportunities to INVEST in the HIVE economy, instead of putting it on the market to be SOLD.
Like Witty, I've also been on the blockchain about 8 years this May (my original account ironshield) and while originally criticizing the "bidbots" back then, after consideration I reversed my decision about them and gladly used them without remorse. The rewards were powered up and it allowed me to be weaned off of a modest delegation that was gifted to me early on and curate on my own steam (pun intended).
I owe a debt of gratitude to tools like these which kept me going through some challenging times.
For me the obviously wrong, cheating, bribery scheme of "bidbots", allowed me to get a footing on the early blockchain and I'm not sure I would still be here so many years later, if not for these utilities. Even using this alleged "cheat code", it still took me years of daily posting and curating to finally get to over 10K in stake. Hardly getting super rich!
And really, it wasn't the "bidbots" that built wealth into my previous account, but as Witty points out, they gave me EXPOSURE. I was able to build a genuine following and manual curations. Many wonderful comments and back and forth - all an essential part of the HIVE experience.
I thought the bidbots were a brilliant idea. It was a way for a "common" low stakeholder to get ahead, graduate to "minnow", without relying on the sole approval of big stake-holders. A way for my posts to be seen by people who would not otherwise, opening up all sorts of new and exciting conversations.
When the "bidbots" were targeted and eliminated, I was pretty disappointed. I didn't speak out at the time, for fear of downvotes. Witnessing the zeal to exterminate the bidbots, and discourage their use, was distressing. I learned quickly that if big stakeholders don't like something, they have the power to SQUASH it.
It's even a little bit difficult now to speak about it because I don't exactly know the ramifications.
It seemed like there was a CONSENSUS that my opinion was WRONG. It was even worse then that. Thinking that it wasn't wrong, was itself WRONG!
It was implied that every time I used a paid curation service, I was committing an ethical misdeed, a "frowned upon" practice, participating in bribery. Nobody wants these accusations. So I kept quiet.
However, looking back, it turns out that "consensus" was contrived - many low stakeholders (like myself) didn't speak out at that time out of fear. These "bidbots" were very popular and many people used them, but there were no campaigns (that I'm aware of) to preserve them. Instead, the early adopters powered down and quietly left. Never to return.
But I stuck around.
Thankfully, at that time I had enough of a following momentum to keep going on my own without the "bidbots". But for new bloggers, they were disadvantaged, relying exclusively on the favor of the big stake holders and curation trails for upvotes.
Fair enough, certainly nothing wrong with natural/manual upvotes, it's the LIFEBLOOD of the platform, but they could not enjoy the artificial boost that I enjoyed early on.
Sometimes users based their decision on whether this this platform was for them or not on their post performance. Everyone's time is valuable, there's only so many 3 hour posts earning $0.48 that a person can tolerate before giving up. But a nice SBI vote, or submitting the post for a "paid" curation, helped turn that 3 hours into a few dollars. Better than nothing. It was enough encouragement and exposure to maybe someday get a manual curation over $10.
How excited I remember being when I got my first post payout in double digits.
After my ironshield account was plundered earlier this year (keys somehow acquired and changed), I had to make a decision also - is this platform worth continuing to investing time and energy into?
What I decided is that even IF the PLATFORM isn't worth investing time into (which it is), the COMMUNITY is what really makes it worth continuing. The outpouring of support that I received on this new account was overwhelming. And yes, I did receive generous support from some big accounts (including OCD) and I am very grateful!
Being once a "dolphin", now I'm back to being a "minnow" again - and most of that is from the generosity of the community, otherwise I'd be a "NOTHING".
That support includes some big stakeholders who supported me in my time of need. I am very grateful for their support, rebuilding this account to still continue daily blogging and attention.
As part of that campaign to build something new, I went back to the same sort of utilities and tools that helped me back in the beginning. That includes tokens which are exchanged for upvotes.
Should I do it quietly, fearful that some big "influencers" might not approve?
So now here I am all over again. Again, I'm a "minnow" using The Obviously Wrong, Cheating, Bribery Scheme, that's Raiding the Reward Pool. And by speaking out I might be downvoted into oblivion.
For me, this is an opportunity to show some bravery. Last time I was in this position, I was afraid to speak up - but this time (inspired by the post by Witty) I want to speak out, giving my opinion freely on the blockchain.
I hope this post lends another perspective on the subject, that opinions can be formed from the personal experiences of others and not by assumptions like "it should be obvious".
I have no desire for a flag war, nor do I mean any disrespect towards those with differing opinions.
This is what the blockchain is supposed to be all about: not posting cat pictures, but having real discussions on the immutable blockchain that in theory will be preserved forever(ish).
Thank you @enginewitty for having the courage to speak up and you have inspired me to do the same. It's tempting for me to stay quiet on this subject, but I want to do things BETTER this time around.
Peace!
Beautifully expressed! I'm really grateful that you wrote this post, Benjamin, because what has been going on lately has been disturbing me immensely. So many wonderful people have left Hive, and so many communities and projects have been squashed, over this sort of thing, and it both saddened and angers me. Even projects that I help run are being affected. I salute your courage, and desire to do and be better, my friend. 😁 🙏 💚 ✨ 🤙
!ALIVE
!BBH
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Thank you, I hope I expressed my thoughts in a manner that isn't complaining or ungrateful in any way - after all I'm grateful every day! ❤️
!BBH
You're very welcome, of course! No, you really did a smashing job! This is a rather big issue at the moment, again, and I'd truly love to see it resolved in an actually good way. 😁 🙏 💚 ✨ 🤙
!ALIVE
!BBH
Ironshield, holy crap, I haven't seen that name in a hot minute! And you're most welcome. There are all kinds of unfair advantages out there, especially for those with a higher stake, but that is just the way it is. Bidbots were allowing small accounts to grow quickly, that threatened the status quo of the ninja miners 😂 !LOLZ !hiqvote !PIZZA
Yes, that's the short and sweet version. I couldn't have said it better, in fact I didn't.
I have to admit after loosing years of work and many thousands of dollars, I almost hung up my hat and quit entirely, but so many people stepped up to support me that I couldn't allow myself to give up. It's like shoots and ladders, I just hit a "shoot" and my stake went back a couple of years.
I don't say this to complain or whine, but to give some context behind how I might perceive some of the unfair advantages out there. Now I'm not ashamed to consider paid for curations to help bring my account at least back to something respectable.
Not to discount the generosity of the community even for a second! But I am not in a position to create the high-level, consistent posting that (we imagine) would earn the big upvotes, nor are any of us really. The few posts that were highly compensated were charity, I know that. I'm ok with that. I'm grateful for that.
Entitled for nothing, grateful for EVERYTHING!
It is good to hear many different views about what is going on lately. Thanks for sharing yours! :)
Glad you read it and considered it. !BBH
I think if you continue your hard work, you will become a dolphin again in the near future on this account.
Perhaps, perhaps not. Either way, glad to be here still. !BBH
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Your voice is the voice of many of us, Benjamin! As you have said, due to the fear of downvoting, many don't speak loudly! I appreciate your posts. I 100% agree with your view!
Instead of fighting ourselves in the system, we should concentrate on creating more and more use cases of HIVE! We want to use HIVE directly as a payment option like other tokens!
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I'm very glad to hear this. I was wondering what the outcome would be posting this. I'm glad it's being well received and agreed upon.
Yes, I agree. Instead of blaming old "bidbots" for low-valued HIVE, maybe look elsewhere for solutions. Build, rather than destroy. Encourage, rather than threaten. !BBH
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Thank you! !BBH
You're always welcome 😎
May we all have different opinions and express them regularly 🙏 This is what leads to new and innovative solutions.
I never actually thought about vote buying helping new accounts get established before I read your post. I guess it's just like any other tool. It can either benefit the community as a whole, or hurt it. Maybe what Hive really needs is a discussion on if there's a way to use them in a beneficial way, without encouraging leechers from sticking around.
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