Austrian gov wants to further restrict gun laws, forbid carrying knives in public spaces. Attack on civil liberties, right to self-defense?
Österreich hat bereits eines der strengsten Waffengesetze der Welt, aber eine relativ liberale Regelung bei Messern.
Derzeit ist das Führen von (Einhand-)Messern in sogenannten Verbotszonen (bei Bahnhöfen), auf Ämtern, in öffentlichen Verkehrsmittel (laut Hausordnung der Bahn) und auf praktisch allen Veranstaltungen (laut Hausordnung der Veranstalter) verboten.
Weiters dürfen Asylwerber bereits jetzt keine Waffen und Messer führen.
Andererseits dürfen Survival-Messer zum Beispiel beim Wandern oder in privaten PKWs geführt (am Körper getragen) werden. Das ist im Moment legal möglich.
Die Regierung plant aber das Verbot bei Asylwerbern auf alle österreichischen Staatsbürger auszudehnen und ein generelles Waffenverbot in Österreich einzuführen.
Bürger dürfen dann im ganzen öffentlichen Raum außerhalb der Wohnräumlichkeiten ohne Waffenpass und Sondergenehmigung keine Waffen und Messer mitführen.
Denke nicht, dass eine weitere Verschärfung etwas zur öffentlichen Sicherheit beiträgt, sondern Kriminelle werden sich nicht an das Verbot halten, während unbescholtene und gesetzestreue Bürger dadurch komplett entwaffnet werden. Das Recht auf Selbstverteidigung wird dadurch eingeschränkt.
Ein weiteres Problem ist die Definition von Waffen. Wann ist ein Messer eine Waffe oder ein Werkzeug?
In Wirklichkeit kann man jedes Küchenmesser auch als Waffe verwenden, soll man jetzt alle Küchenmesser verbieten?
Was ist, wenn man vom Supermarkt Obst kauft und dieses unterwegs schneiden möchte? Wird das Tragen von einem Leatherman auch verboten etc. Ist eine Machete ein legitimes Werkzeug oder bereits eine Waffe?
Denke beim Waffenverbot gibt es einen Sweet-Spot, es macht durchaus Sinn, dass nicht jeder eine automatische Feuerwaffe mit sich führen darf, aber irgendwann bringt eine Verschärfung des Waffengesetzes kaum noch einen zusätzlichen Nutzen und schränkt nur noch die Freiheit der Bürger ein.
Was meint ihr zum Vorhaben der Regierung? Soll Österreich ein komplettes Waffenverbot inkl. Messer einführen oder die derzeitige Regelung beibehalten? Warum möchte die Regierung gesetzestreue Bürger komplett entwaffnen?
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Innenminister für generelles Waffenverbot statt Verbotszonen
Wie könnte ein Waffenverbot für ganz Österreich aussehen?
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Austria already has one of the strictest gun laws in the world, but a relatively liberal regulation for knives.
At present, the carrying of (one-handed) knives is prohibited in so-called prohibited zones (at railroad stations), at public offices, on public transport (according to the house rules of the railroad) and at practically all events (according to the house rules of the organizers).
Furthermore, asylum seekers are already prohibited from carrying weapons and knives.
On the other hand, survival knives may be carried (worn on the body) when hiking or in private cars, for example. This is currently legal in Austria.
However, the government plans to extend the ban on asylum seekers to all Austrian citizens and introduce a general ban on weapons in Austria.
Citizens will then not be allowed to carry weapons and knives in all public areas outside their homes without a firearms pass and special permit.
I do not think that a further tightening of the gun laws will contribute to public safety, as criminals will not comply with the ban, while innocent and law-abiding citizens will be completely disarmed. This will restrict the right to self-defense.
Another problem is the definition of weapons. When is a knife a weapon or a tool?
In reality, any kitchen knife can also be used as a weapon, so should all kitchen knives now be banned?
What if you buy fruits from the supermarket and want to cut them on the go? Will carrying a Leatherman also be banned, etc.? Is a machete a legitimate tool or already a weapon?
I think there is a sweet spot with gun bans, it makes perfect sense that not everyone should be allowed to carry an automatic firearm, but at some point, tightening up the gun laws will hardly bring any additional benefit and will only restrict the freedom of citizens.
What do you think of the government's plan? Should Austria introduce a complete ban on weapons, including knives, or retain the current regulations? Why does the gov want to completely disarm law-abiding citizens?
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Sehe das als Angriff auf die Freiheitsrechte, wird wenig bringen, da sich Kriminelle nicht an das Verbot halten werden.
Genauso ist es, wie bei den Schußwaffen. Am Schwarzmarkt oder über der Grenze leicht zu besorgen, wird es den gesetzestreue Bürger immer schwerer gemacht. Habe zum Glück eine WBK mit 5 Plätzen.
We have similar laws here already, if you have a knife in your car you have to know to say its for cutting up fruit if police ask you about it. We can also get a fine if we transport fruit into our State ( South Australia ).
Just a funny thought, Do you see people getting confused with Austria and Australia?
Haha, it's really a fine line between something being a tool or a weapon, think it doesn't make sense to ban all knives. Yeah, Austria gets confused a lot with Australia, common joke here 😂
It’s funny because you see the stereotype of crocodile Dundee, but really nobody is allowed to carry a knife
Zum Glück sind Verbrecher ja dafür bekannt, dass sie sich an Waffengesetze halten. 😉
If you want everything it can be a weapon so it is another measure to distract people's attention.
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Hard to regulate these subjects, i believe in schweitz as long as your knife isnt too big no one cares
Austria should better ban weapons because the more people have access to them, they will be tempted to give it a try…
Those things are not allowed here though
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I don't see a need for a gun or a knife or any sort of weapon for a normal everyday person, so I'm actually rather happy to see other countries move towards a stricter weapon policy.
I live in Estonia, so I haven't really experienced living in a big city, so I don't know how needed weapons would be for normal citizens, but in my personal life I just don't see any need what so ever.
this is also our complain from the gun ban from our country.
"criminals will not comply with the ban, while innocent and law-abiding citizens will be completely disarmed."
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i think weapon banning will at least minimize the crime. if there is no ban, criminals will just walk around showing their gun or weapon. at least with the ban, some will be scared in bringing weapons.
does it mean you will need to carry a "license to carry a knife"? haha
we also have gun ban in our country but you can still get one if you pay even if your not qualified. everything is about money.
A knife can be used by anyone, but it is difficult to understand whose knife it is. But whenever a gun is licensed it may be possible to trace its user if it is misused.
That is going too far... Maybe carrying a sword around might now be a good idea, but a utility knife should be fine. I don't think anyone need to walk around with their AK-47 unless you're in Haiti or some other lawless country, but that's just going too far!
Hello my brother @vikisecrets usually laws are put in place to protect society and prevent the use of weapons in any form. It is considered a good law to protect society from those who are outside the system, but the government must apply this law to everyone and not just individuals. Unfortunately for us, the law is applied to society, simple people, but if the society He has authority and the law is not applied to him, and this is a problem
agree. It is reasonable to only restrict automatic weapons
It looks like they just want control. I still think people should be free to do what they want so long as they don't bother others. It's not going to stop the criminals either way.
I will say Australia government might not really be doing that which they need to do
what? taking my knife??