"If You Are NOT a Developer, You Are Invisible on HIVE" .:. Late Night Blogging
The last Hive Humpday Hangout show was very interesting as we were talking about Hive Proposals, but during the show, we went a bit offtopic, but not far away from HIVE... As we had a few new participants (I don't like the word "audience", as in our show, people actively contribute to the show!), we addressed certain issues that newbees (pun intended š) have on HIVE...
Similar to my Hive journey, @femisapiens joined Splinterlands first, and after some time, he discovered that there is a completely different world here on HIVE... He found the blogging side of HIVE, but he had struggles (and still has, so be kind enough to visit his blog, and show support in the comment section š) to find his place... Hitting the wall when he would ask for help or directions...
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After that, @jim-crypto jumped on the mic and acknowledged that it isn't an easy job to plug into the community when you are new, but also he said something like this:
If you are not a developer, you are invisible on HIVE...
In my personal opinion, I wouldn't go that far and say that it is ALWAYS like that, but I have to admit that it is partially true... It's like that saying... Where there's smoke there's fire... I was talking on this topic before, and how we need different types of people on HIVE, gamers, bloggers, vloggers, investors, developers, programmers, etc. Speaking of the latest, I have tried to clarify the difference between developers and programmers and found this answer...
Although developers and programmers share similar job responsibilities and skills, these are actually two distinct professions. While a programmer is a technician who specializes in code, a developer is a designer or project manager who also can code.
https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/developer-vs-programmer
As HIVE is a relatively small community, it's not that hard to spot who is a developer and who is a programmer... But, let's go back to Jim's statement... I said that I partially agree with him as maybe a good approach to "measure the truth" is to check out the Hive Witness leaderboard... From the Top 20 witnesses, maybe just one isn't a developer/programmer, the rest are... But, to dive deeper down the rabbit hole, if you check the list further, you can spot curation projects and "individual" influencers... They are still in the minority, but still, they do exist...
The other measurement would be to check the HivePower rich list... That will show a bit different picture as we have some big HP holders in the Top 20 that are not developers, but rather accounts that curate content... Again, they aren't the majority, but when you go down into the Orca ranked Hivians, the image changes a lot... Most people are individuals, and bloggers, that create and curate content on HIVE!
As I'm in the Orca rank cohort, and I'm probably biased to talk about it, but I noticed that we have some very active Orcas that are steadily growing their accounts, making themselves more VISIBLE... The same happens with Dolphins, too... But, the same as in real life, the best growth happens when they are working together, motivating, and inspiring others to create, curate, and engage!
What's the conclusion of this Late Night Blogging post? Compared with the past, I think that the Hive ecosystem is in the "rebalancing" phase, Hivians are becoming aware that one ecosystem can't survive with only one type of people... There are dozens (if not hundreds) of examples of great blockchain projects that have amazing developers and programmers that have failed... Just because they didn't have someone "on the other side"... Didn't have people who will USE their awesome tech, didn't have the community around them, didn't have bloggers to spread the word about it, didn't have marketing people to "distribute" the information out there, and didn't have investors to help out when it was needed..
That's why I wouldn't say that developers are more important than the community itself, that bloggers are more important than gamers, or... Everyone is important in the HIVE ecosystem, and if everyone is doing their part of the job, I can't see that we can fail... But, if we point fingers, putting one over others, we can easily run into the abyss...
What do you think? Would you like to see more curators, investors, and ordinary Hivians in the Top20 Hive Witness leaderboard, or the top HivePower holders list?
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Yeah, I get his point, but not even all the developers on Hive are really that visual. Take myself for example. I have created multiple projects here and on other blockchains and feel like I am just as invisible as someone who is a newbie, at least from the amount of earnings my posts make comparative to others. And it may be that I don't make the content people like, but is what it is. Bottom line, I am seen here WAY more than on any other platform and EARN more than on any other social platform, so there is that. I am finally getting into a position that I can start to build back my Hive power so hopefully I can make a bigger mark on the curation front, which has been a good bit of my focus lately.
It's a bit different on HIVE than in other places, especially as HIVE is much smaller than others... I like to celebrate every 100 new followers for which I work a month, while that number could be hit in a day on YT, or some other network... But, on the other side, what you said counts the most... The real connection with other Hivians, and long-term friendship and bonds... It is possible on other networks, but I can't imagine going on Meetup with someone from the YT comment section... š
Also, we have to be "multi-person" users here, creators, curators, developers, etc... Anyway, I do see some potential changes regarding HIVE "influencers", going from devs, to bloggers and curators...
I wonder how many on the RICHLIST are there by organic means? I think it is mostly invested capital that makes up that list. However, there are few heavy hitters that have built accounts from zero with zero. Truly commendable!
I know that some people prefer one over another, organic earnings over investing, or vice-versa... I wouldn't go that far and say that one is more important than the others, as both have their risks or work behind accumulated HP... and they are both important...
For example, I did both... I have invested by buying HIVE, but also, I have also created content and engaged on the platform too...
Btw. there is a third group too... THose who were here from the very beginning and "mined" their tokens before anyone else and some of them are still at the top of the HP rich list... ;)
Let's take this to analogy. I'm a farmer who plants rice, I need someone to buy my rice to make profit, Here comes a buyer he will sell it to the market to make profit, the government saw what is happening they will allocate a budget to the farmer to help them out. This analogy is within the Hive ecosystem yes we have some people who just milks the system to sustain their lifestyle or needs irl in the real world it's happening also. What do I feel about those people who milks the cow dry? Nothing it's part of the system. Can I do something about it? Absolutely by changing myself and lead by example like you said. In this way and with the help of my small community growing each day. Change is inevitable as long as those who believes support each other.
Is it hard? Oh very hard but my mentor once said "Success is the result of nothing more than a few simple disciplines, practiced ever day.
That's a nice analogy and the other part with weed inside the field is something that we should remind ourselves many times... Yes, HIVE does have some bad weed, but every other crypto has too! And when we are diving deep into some project/blockchain/crypto, we will find more and more dirty laundry... That's why the most "promising" things are NOT those that we know the best, but those that we haven't researched yet... :)
My response to this is always the same... If it would be easy, everyone would do it... But, not everyone can be a winner...
It is clear that many people including me on HIVE are just bloggers. I think what we can do is giving suggestion for a better HIVE world š
Exactly! Everyone is equally important and can contribute in their way to HIVE!
I totally agree with you.
Developers and programmers are essential, even very important, in charge of developing the infrastructure.
Acknowledging the pivotal roles of financiers, investors, marketers, curators, and content creators, including bloggers, is vital. Their active involvement is crucial for a comprehensive and flourishing community ecosystem.
Exactly! Your comment reminded me of the Iberian lynx, which is a type of wild cat that lives here in Spain... The species almost got instinct as it couldn't adapt to changes made by humans... The main issue was that the Iberian lynx is eating ONLY wild rabbits and as rabbits have gone, it didn't have what to eat...
The same goes for our story... Devs without users are nothing... and to get users, we need all that you mentioned in the comment... ;) The rabbit was same important as the lynx... š
Honestly being a developer is a plus on this platform, it helps you standout and also win the people's heart in terms of becoming a witness. Generally owners are more important as they make the platform what it is by investing their time to create contents, and curate other contents they cause interaction as well as give rewards to each other, that's simply the core built of Hive.blog.
I suppose that the first step is to realize that every single person on HIVE is equally important as some of the things that Jim said stand... It was/is that devs were "more important" in the eyes of everyone...
Yeah that's true, initially I believed that as well as, they seemed to add all the new updates and tools.
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I think it's a bit similar to how society operates. We need all kinds of people, be it those high paying office jobs or low paying labour intensive jobs (I try not to name specific occupations). Without either side, the society cannot function.
Speaking of myself, I am not programmer or developer. I am just a blogger and Hive to me is just a fascinating place where I can talk (sometimes blabber nonsense) and people will still read my stuff. I remember I used to write a lot on Blogspot and Wordpress but nobody reads these blogs (unless you promote the URL to friends or somewhere). Over here, it's fun. I get feedback from all over the world! Of course, earnings upvotes or HP is just extra icing on the cake.
Being a small player I don't think I have much influence. But what I like to do is to support Hivians as much as I can, be it delegating HP to projects, or even buying their tokens, voting witnesses and proposals, and participating in community events like shows and games. I think there's a saying which says something along the lines of - when you help someone, you also feel happy as well. There are many passionate people in Hive and I hope and like them succeed in their endeavours.
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You are wrong about this... Yes, you do influence your circle of friends/followers...
I remember very well how I was feeling the same, and even when we started the Liotes project, we were outsiders, nobody was listening... But recently, our Liotes missions have attracted a lot of people, who were leaving comments, discussing other replies, etc.
We still don't have a huge influence on the main HIVE witnesses, but we did influence some other Hivians to start thinking about important things, to try to do better, to show by example... I don't want to take all the credit for those things, but we did our part and made a difference... Even by being just a small project...
Of course, I do agree with your points about helping each other, creating collaborations, etc. That's another way of giving back to HIVE and other Hivians... ;)
Haha you flatter me! I always see this as a casual hobby, but if my little actions have played a role in helping Hive, that's good to know!
I would like to see Liotes in the top20 list! That would be great to see.the project growing ans getting more visibility.
Hehehehe... That would be great to see, but I don't believe that it will happen soon... But, who knows... We are not going anywhere and those who persist can win... :)
I can see why developers are up there. If you think about it they put a lot of effort towards the platform. They do a lot of things that we all benefit from. I believe a lot of Hivians see this and that's why I believe they make up the top 20 witnesses.
I don't believe your invisible if your not one though. Hard work, dedication and consistency can shed light on yourself over time of course. Of course some Orcas, Dolphins and a even those below those ranks are highly visible based on their content creations and interaction. Some run competitions, provide writing prompts and larger communities. That in a sense is a little developing in its own right.
Of course it would be a perfect Hive world to see a top 20 HP holder list with some diversity. It would definitely be tough to start for an ordinary user with a zero start unless they have deep pockets to empty out. For investors or curators climbing up its more possible. The overall picture to me is all Hivians have there place. Can't have what we have without everyone playing their own part. It doesn't matter necessarily where one stands on this list or that.
That is something that we should thrive... That's something that could send a very positive message out there... That we care about diversity and that here everyone has a chance to be a winner... developer, content creator, gamer, investor...
Easy or hard, it's irrelevant... but to have an equal chance, that is relevant!
Perhaps a new Hive goal should be how far up the list we can go. At 2504 currently maybe by year ends I can shave quite a bit off.
It is true that developers have elite status on the blockchain. Many people want to do things, but only a few have the skills and ability to do things. This makes them a HOT commodity. The secret is that nobody is BORN a developer, it's a skill like any other. It's learned. (I'm reminding myself of that)
Like any other skill, it is learned, like you said... But, even if you are not a developer, you should have a chance to stand out, to do something good for the ecosystem, and for others... There are other ways to be useful here...
A big HP investment is considered useful here. :-)
I wouldn't mind seeing more of the regular people up there but I honestly think it's tough. I remember that discussion on the hive humpday posts and it sucks to see that people were disregarded for not having enough HP to be considered.
Not sure if we are thinking about the same HHHLive discussion, but the one where some big whale didn't want to listen at all the guy with low HP was very ugly... I know that these things exist, but that shouldn't be the case... That kind of behavior shouldn't be tolerated...
Yeah, being a developer or programmer made them more visible than others here, but to say that others are invisible isn't true as I know how a blog in HIVE works from a content creator š. Not even a developer or programmer, just a content creator. They are also visible and important in their role of "inviting someone to the HIVE community". Everyone who makes the HIVE community like today is important š¤.
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I suppose that the "invisibility" card was more like a point of view of each other... On one side, devs think that they are the most important as they code things, and others are irrelevant... and on the other side, bloggers think that coders aren't that important as they almost never spend time on chain, talking with Hivians (as they don't have time to do it)...
So, in some way, both sides don't see each other... lol... š
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Hive is defined as an ecosystem, isn't it? That means that in order to function, each of its parts must fulfil its role. That makes them all important. š
Exactly! It's like a clock! Constructed by different parts where every part does its job... and if one fails, clock stops... :)
Even the nicest or best techies cannot do it alone. There's no one calling the shots and this is why the work cannot be done alone by the witnesses. Hive is like a conglomerate, and when one body isn't up and doing, it totally reflects on the whole ecosystem. One for all and all for one..
Heheheh... I just replied to Paloma's comment comparing HIVE with a clock... And your comment was a very similar comparison...
Diversification of Hivians is our biggest strength... Now we just have to work on ourselves, accepting that everyone's job is equally important as ours...
Iām not a developer but I feel everyone can add one or two benefits to Hive
We all can make it greater
Exactly... Everyone can contribute and add value in their own way...
Yes, the community loves developers on Hive above all?
I think that people like to create and follow their idols... As HIVE and cryptocurrencies were something new, developers had a headstart and got that title... but, that doesn't mean that others are useless...
Well being the first means you hold the most HP for the most part. Influencers would need to invest in Hive if they want to become relevant. Hive needs more development that's for sure.
UX still pretty slow, even proposals are very rare. But marketing is quite common and anyone can do it without needing to create an original concept.
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I agree brother, every role on Hive, whether a developer or content creator, is vital for its success.
Yup... Altogether, we make HIVE what it is...
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