The Simple Solution to Hive's Biggest Problems - Removing L1 Content Rewards Completely

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As anyone who's been following me knows, the last couple months have marked the end of my more than 5 years dedicated to growing Hive/Steem, building community here, and walking hundreds of people through this overly complex system.

You can scroll down a bit to see my last handful of posts, covering various facets of this, and showing the progression of the conversation (over 1000 comments on just a few posts.)

After digging through all the various conversations about these issues of centralized stake, censorship of opposing opinions by those with the stake, and the fact that the ninja mine was kept by the whales... It has become quite clear that Hive is doomed to be a terrible social media platform, run by a couple of tyrants.


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There's a solution, that most every side seems to agree upon...

We need to remove L1 Hive rewards from content completely.

No more author rewards, no more curation rewards.

This cuts the inflation rate significantly (increasing the value of Hive)

This puts all content curation onto the L2 projects - where communities can have their own guidelines and such - and creating more value for those L2 tokens

This would make Hive the free speech platform it claims to be, as there would no longer be an L1 means to censor content.

This makes Hive much more appealing to investors, developers, and content creators.

The whales downvote instead of conversing

Here is the last comment I made, in response to blocktrades (by far the largest stakeholder on Hive, and the top witness, who upvotes spam comments for thousands of dollars per day) - Of course, nobody responded to the comment, except to downvote it... as usual.

You characterize this post and his comments as just dissent opinions, but they and his previous post on the same topic are mostly focused as an attack on the reputation of the voters for these comments and on Hive in general. He is clearly attacking the chain and essentially accusing it of being worthless.

Here are my posts, in TLDR form, since I started down this path:

You whales who've never read or watched my content and didn't know who I was until I started calling out this activity can pretend that I'm just some Hive hater - but the last half of a decade shows how ridiculous that is.

If I didn't care about Hive or wanted to damage it, I would be shit-posting about Hive on my Odysee channel, on Flote, etc. Instead, I'm here, still spending my time, doing research, being slandered and verbally assaulted by multi-millionaires, and trying to shake things up enough that maybe changes happen.

I've accepted that means that I probably won't ever earn posting rewards on Hive again - and it's been freeing to release the attachment that I had to this place.

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I don't know who in the "every side agrees on" I was able to vote on but I sure as hell don't want to remove author or curation rewards. What the hell is left for the average person? Even my decent (meager in some circles) stake of 19k would be something I wouldn't be able to grow. I and countless others would say fuck it and just leave.

The allure of a place like Hive is that a lot of different types of content can be rewarded. I know some doesn't and that's got a bunch of reasons behind it, I don't see the point in ruining something completely like that because a few people are upset.

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You wouldn't have to "grow" your stake, if you weren't losing value every 3 seconds due to the massive inflation rate (to fund the rewards pool)

The allure of a place like Hive is that a lot of different types of content can be rewarded.

That's not how the whales feel. They are actively zero-ing out users, and if anyone speaks out, they bash on those people for "being only about rewards"

I don't see the point in ruining something completely like that because a few people are upset.

The only thing that would be ruined is the power of a couple people to decide the visibility and rewards of everyone else.

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We'd have to find our own devs for that to happen. Under the current leadership it most certainly won't. On top of that those with the deciding stake will never allow it. It'll take another coming together of the little guy to an order of magnitude higher than what happened during the Justin Sun coup. I don't see it becoming reality, but it doesn't hurt to plant the seed as you've done here...

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That's one of the main reasons I'm down in Mexico right now, to connect with a ton of crypto people, and see if I can get someone(s) interested in helping spin up the project.

There's been a lot of supportive energy, some people down to help fund, projects ready to launch/shift to the platform... but no backend devs yet.

The coolest thing (to me) about this, is that it's mostly people who've never heard of or used Hive (or stopped way back in steem days), and everyone is so down to make something where the principles are actually put first.

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There's a solution, that every side seems to agree upon...

We need to remove L1 Hive rewards from content completely.

Um, no. Not all sides. Certainly not me.

Every time this “solution” gets brought up, I hate it more.

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What other solution is there to the handful of people who decide what users get zero'd out, what content is allowed on trending, and what spam comments are worth $1000+ each?

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A fork offering the best solutions given throughout the many articles on this topic is the only way. One being 1 account 1 governance vote. The reason you'll get so much resistance to this idea is that layer one is what pays out the best.

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What other solution is there ... ?

I still would have the idea to implement two different reward pools, one for 'stakers' and one for real curators and authors.

I think if someone considers themselves purely as investor they should be able to just stake HIVE in order to earn interest but after this decision shouldn't (be able to) upvote (or downvote) posts anymore which anyway they didn't read at all.

However, the ones who would choose to be in the curator/author pool should have to do real curation work which would mean to seek, actually read, evaluate and manually upvote posts that they really like.

That wouldn't completely solve all problems (for example some whales might decide to go for the curator/author pool, even if staking would be more beneficial for these users with huge stakes), but as we are 'brainstorming' here I wanted to mention this idea.

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That seems like a great option to help decentralize the stake at least.

I know over the years, I've had many people who were convinced by the idea of steem/hive, but then quickly turned off by the idea that they had to take on a part time job as a curator to have their investment not be forever losing it's relative stake.

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I think that would ultimately lead to an undesired effect for most content creators. Large stakeholders who use both their up and down votes are doing so because they've read the post. They would want to be in the curator pool, not the hands-off investment pool. The only difference would be that the auto-votes from the hands-off stakeholders would be gone, which would ultimately mean that there would be fewer upvotes on content.

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Large stakeholders who use both their up and down votes are doing so because they've read the post.

So you think that for example @the-maximizer-everyday-one-short-post-mark reads at least 2 % of the posts which he and his buildwhale are autovoting?
Concerning the downvotes, I am not against downvotes, but I don't like at all that a huge number of downvotes are 'granted' due to disagreement on opinon or retaliation reasons. Furthermore rather often there is no thoughts exchange between downvoter and author in these cases. What I mean is that for example before I stopped posting on HIVE I had that soccer result prediction competition which brought many people to HIVE. The winner of every match day should write a comment, which I upvoted with 100 % (as reward not for writing the comment but for analyzing the games correctly and winning the matchday). These upvotes made people stay involved who couldn't win the main prize anymore. Then
@usainvote (an anonymous, intransparent account with a big delegation from @blocktrades) started to flag all these comments, and it was not possible to get in touch with he/she/it. Participants left the prediction game and got inactive in HIVE, and I withdrew from organizing the competition (thanks to @reiseamateur to continue my work).
Furthermore, whales are often too lazy to really check themselves whom they flag and why. When my latest chess post (over a year ago) suddenly got flagged from @theycallmedan (which I respect a lot as he really bought his stake instead of being just early miner or former bid bot owner) I was really surprised as he actually likes chess. When I asked him he told me it wasn't himself who had flagged me but @themarkymark who was using his posting key (and who was angry that I had muted him, even if he pretended the reason was that my post was over rewarded - opposite to his own autovoted minimal effort short posts, lol).
In favour of @theycallmedan I have to add that he removed the flag again.

Lol, lets wait and see if due to my mentions the expected retaliation flags will come in. :-)

They would want to be in the curator pool, not the hands-off investment pool.

There could be an incentive that the larger your stake the more beneficial it would be to be in the stake pool. For example by implementing a higher author reward compared to curation reward (most whales prefer passive income over the work of creating content). Or simply by a curve causing that curation reward wouldn't rise proportional to HIVE power (which also would help against centralization of HIVE concerning the control over the content) but staking rewards in the stake pool still would.

The only difference would be that the auto-votes from the hands-off stakeholders would be gone, which would ultimately mean that there would be fewer upvotes on content.

I would prefer to see fewer upvotes in case every upvote would mean the voter really valued what he did upvote before, even if that would be a comment 'only', but a comment they had read before upvoting.
If fewer upvotes would mean that good content could be trending then in the long term that would contribute to the value of HIVE.

Greetings from your old friend, the HIVE quitter but now Splinterlands whale (which is by the way far more decentralized concerning different rather big stakeholders than HIVE). :)

P. S.: Even if I criticize HIVE a lot I think that so far all alternatives are even worse. From a technological point of view HIVE is far superior than everything else (I wonder how advanced the planned social networks based on Cardano and Solana will be, but ... they are not yet available).
I know a small German politics forum which might close soon due Impressum issues. Do you believe? I suggested the migration to ... HIVE which is still pending, and which I would support in case they will choose this option ... crazy me, lol.

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It's funny you think I give a shit you muted me or that I even knew that you did. I see you still droning on about the same bs as always.

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Hallo, wie geht's dir, alter Freund?
Solltest du an einer ernsthaften Diskussion interessiert sein, würde ich mich sogar dazu bequemen, Englisch mit dir zu sprechen.

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Gabba goolie goo?

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Ja ... Alles wird bald gut, kleiner Mark! :)

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Oh my, you down voting all my posts and comments, however will I survive.

As I said before.

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Oh my, you down voting all my posts and comments, however will I survive.

Oh my, after you were vindictive as always and started downvoting every of my comments, too, oh wonder ... That's what we call cause and effect, right?

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Nope. I downvoted one post which you said was posted in error and asked people to downvote. Continue to spread bs as usual.

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It was only after you started to downvote all my posts and comments I did the same. Luckily we have a public blockchain where it is easily verified.

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Lol, lets wait and see if due to my mentions the expected retaliation flags will come in. :-)

See, @guiltyparties, little vindictive @themaximark jumped in with his flags even faster than expected, q. e. d., ... so predictable ... :)

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I flagged a $15 post that was a mistake that you even told people to flag. Which you responded by downvoting all mine, so I returned the favor.

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I knew that would be your excuse, but: you also flagged every of my comments in this post (for example in my conversation with @lemouth) FIRST before I reacted.

Why, just why are you always that dishonest?

P. S.: Blockchain doesn't lie!

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Lol timestamps don’t lie unlike you.

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You are just funny: you know very well that you flagged my comments before I flagged yours. Period.

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You care to change your answer?

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The first flag (and only) flag was on this, before you started going down my posts and comments like a salty bitch.

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You care to change your answer?

The real order is: You downvoted my post, then I downvoted your posts. Then you downvoted many of my comments. Then I downvoted your comments. Then you downvoted some further of my comments to pretend that you were the one who reacted.

Your screenshot intentionally cuts the beginning. Here is the full story:

https://www.hiveblockexplorer.com/@jaki01

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Cool story bro.

Your screenshot intentionally cuts the beginning.

Actually it doesn't.

select timestamp, voter, author, permlink,  weight
from txvotes
where ((voter = 'themarkymark' and author = 'jaki01') 
or (voter = 'jaki01' and author = 'themarkymark'))
and timestamp > getutcdate() - 1
order by timestamp

It is right from HiveSQL showing the last 24 hours of voting activity. The post I flagged was the one that was a mistaken post for $16 and you specifically asked people to flag and in fact others flagged as well for the same exact reason.

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It wasn't even personal, I have flagged other posts that have the same mistake as have many others in the last few days since the 3Speak error.

You chose to go down all my comments and posts flagging them because you are being a baby.

I'm going to throw you on ignore now, feel free to continue downvoting and I will do the same. I don't downvote people because I don't like them or disagree with them, but I will not tolerate lies and rage downvoting. I could have downvoted you every time you brought up your bullshit and tagged me, yet I never did.

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True story, as everybody can easily check!

Some honesty really wouldn't harm you ...

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Lol, lets wait and see if due to my mentions the expected retaliation flags will come in. :-) See, @quiltyparties, little vindictive maximizer Mark jumped in with his flags even faster than expected, q. e. d., ... so predictable ... :)
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Ja ... Alles wird bald gut, kleiner Mark! :)
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Hallo, wie geht's dir, alter Freund? Solltest du an einer ernsthaften Diskussion interessiert sein, würde ich mich sogar dazu bequemen, Englisch mit dir zu sprechen.
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It's funny you think I give a shit you muted me or that I even knew that you did. I see you still droning on about the same bs as always.

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The post I flagged was the one that was a mistaken post for $16 and you specifically asked people to flag and in fact others flagged as well for the same exact reason.

Yes, of course. It is ok, that somebody flagged it. But it is no accident that you flagged it immediately after my comment in which I mentioned you. If at least you were honest enough to admit that? Would be a good start ...

I added a screen shot in another comment:
And it is exactly like I said. You flagged my post (accidentally or not, but come on ... you know there is that 'honesty word'). Then I flagged your posts (not comments). Then you flagged many of my comments. And then I flagged yours.

But come on, of course your flaggs are personal. It would be a first step to admit it. Then I would say at least he is human ... emotions, you know ... But why do you always try to seek dishonest reasons for your actions?

I don't downvote people because I don't like them or disagree with them ...

I really wished ... really ...

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Sorry to see the downvotes in your comment. I think in case of different points of views or preferences both sides should abstain from using flags for attacking purposes (I would prefer to read good arguments).
If less than seven days old I would upvote your comment.

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Removing the l1 rewards gets talked about often, I have mixed feelings about it. While I can understand the idea, I personally think it would be devastating to the hive price at this point

However, one way to ensure your own content is valuable despite Hive rewards is to join a community and worry less about Hive rewards and more about the community rewards.

If all of you involved in the battle just continued to post and bought into your own autonomous community rewards, it would just become a non issue. If the community was growing eventually the rewards police can't keep up downvotes and the downvotes would matter less as the community token would become more important anyway.

The hyperbolic battle, name calling and having the same exact conversation for 5.5 years is tedious. Make your own community and invest in it. Don't worry about the Hive rewards and the problem solves it's self.

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Removing the l1 rewards gets talked about often, I have mixed feelings about it. While I can understand the idea, I personally think it would be devastating to the hive price at this point

I could see it being largely negative for the price in the short run (which means an opportunity for more decentralization of stake - or more centralization - depending on who buys and who sells), mostly because Hive's only real value right now is voting, once you get past the amount needed for RCs.

It seems like this would definitely increase the value of Hive in the long run, simply by making it not such an inflationary token.

Most new users, activity, and investment on Hive are all coming Splinterlands, DeFi, NFTs, and L2 communities anyway.

If all of you involved in the battle just continued to post and bought into your own autonomous community rewards, it would just become a non issue.

Why would I keep adding value to a platform that has proven itself to not live up to its own claimed values, much less my own standards. I've ONLY used blockchain platforms for years, because I don't support centralization, censorship, or statists.

The thing that has changed is that I stopped being able to sustain the illusion that Hive was different. I just kept "waiting for the stake to decentralize" and putting up with the BS claims of "it's their stake" (same excuse could be used for Zuck's censorship)

If the community was growing eventually the rewards police can't keep up downvotes and the downvotes would matter less as the community token would become more important anyway.

But the community hasn't been growing, it's been stagnant or shrinking, since 2017.

Most everyone who tried Steem/Hive along the way has left and won't come back.

Most who've heard of it but haven't joined won't ever - either because it's such an insane learning curve, or because they know of its history (from literally day 0) of centralized BS.

Most have never heard of it. And this isn't going to change... Plus those who do hear of it just end up in those 2 categories above...

The hyperbolic battle, name calling and having the same exact conversation for 5.5 years is tedious.

I agree, and that (the fact that nothing has changed) is exactly why I can't support Hive.

Make your own community and invest in it.

Already done plenty of that.

Don't worry about the Hive rewards and the problem solves it's self.

That's not the problem solving itself - that's just choosing to ignore centralization, censorship, slander & libel by the people running things.

Just because it's possible to minimize the impact that Hive's inherent problems (combined with the behavior of pro-violence advocates holding stake) can have on you personally (like declining rewards as I did on this post), doesn't mean that the problem gets any smaller, much less goes away.

The simplest way for me to put this is that I wouldn't put out content for Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, or any of those others - even if they paid me, because they go so totally against my principles.

As much as the mythology (that I foolishly believed) says otherwise, the same is true of Hive.

The ninja-mine being kept as their own private piggy bank should have been the last straw, but the community was SO active then that it sucked me in.

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I'm not going to respond to each point.

In the end knowing the centralization and focus of the large stakeholders each user has to make a decision of whether or not to participate and if their engagement here brings some value to them whether it is monetary or otherwise.

As I like to say, you know it's DPOS and who the stakeholders are, analyze that and invest accordingly.

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"Most everyone who tried Steem/Hive along the way has left and won't come back"

Fully agree - 90% of my friends on Steemit or Hive over the past 5 1/2 years have quit in disgust.

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Not entirely - if everything you post (including comments) is nuked, your rep goes down. The lower it gets, the closer it gets to a sub-zero blocked out account - I already have two of those so I know it happens!

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I mostly curate from the Leo page, they can show what they want and ignore Rep if they like.

VYB for instance could just use their own calculations and have their site ignore rep.

But I hear ya, it's a hit and it can be frustrating I went through quite a phase of receiving it as well.

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Leo really pissed me off a year ago so i pulled my support for all things leo ever since. And that was all downvoting too.

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May I ask what pissed you off about Leo?

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Some of the same cabal insiders who trashed my Hive account were Leo insiders. It's all a scam!

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Nope. Not interested.

Every time I see this come up, I'm reminded of that kid in school that brought the football. All the kids are excited, enjoying the exact same playing field, playing by the exact same rules. But the kid who brought the football gets pissed because things aren't going his way. The quarterback doesn't pass him the ball even though he wants it. So he takes his ball and walks off the field. Ruins the fun for everyone.

Or other times I see this come up is when folks around here are more or less annoyed with the arguing. 'Reward disputes', whatever you want to call it. So it's noisy, they're sick of it, so they act like bad parents. One kid is pissed off about something, so the parent comes in and takes the toys away from all the kids. Now all the kids are upset because the parent didn't have the patience or know-how to settle the dispute.

Also, you're hinting at deplatforming me and converting my investment into something I have no use for. Forcing me to start from scratch. Forcing me to buy some unproven token. Forcing me to go work within the confines of some segregated community out there in the internet hardly anyone knows about. I didn't work for nearly six years just to have it all taken away.

These rumors of stripping the base layer, pulling the rug out, and fucking people; I'm not for it.

You say layer two is the answer and you don't need layer 1. So why not practice what you preach and embrace the solutions already in place? They made VYB a downvote free platform and what did you do Kenny? Powered the stake down handed to you, and now in the process of dumping it. You get handed an opportunity that helps solve your personal problems, something you even claim is the solution, but in practice, you piss on it.

And nearly all these second layer communities are barely staying afloat. Pull out the foundation and they come crashing down, too. And how do you even start up a new one with no base layer or foundation? From scratch? If it fails that failure is permanent. They have nothing to fall back on.

Haven't you ever played Jenga? Pick away at the foundation and what happens to everything built on top? It falls.

Nobody is looking at the entire picture when talking about stripping the base layer.

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Every time I see this come up, I'm reminded of that kid in school that brought the football. All the kids are excited, enjoying the exact same playing field, playing by the exact same rules. But the kid who brought the football gets pissed because things aren't going his way. The quarterback doesn't pass him the ball even though he wants it. So he takes his ball and walks off the field. Ruins the fun for everyone.

Interesting how your analogy revolves around one person expecting to play by different rules because he's got the "capital." The difference is that on Hive, there are a few people who have more power than 90% of the userbase, and the top 20 (decided by that stake) can change the code at will.

Or other times I see this come up is when folks around here are more or less annoyed with the arguing. 'Reward disputes', whatever you want to call it. So it's noisy, they're sick of it, so they act like bad parents. One kid is pissed off about something, so the parent comes in and takes the toys away from all the kids. Now all the kids are upset because the parent didn't have the patience or know-how to settle the dispute.

Another interesting analogy - since there are no parent figures for Hive, the folks who are theoretically in that position (the witnesses) are largely silent on most of these topics, are actively persecuting users, or are speaking out - and far from the top 20 because of it.

Also, you're hinting at deplatforming me and converting my investment into something I have no use for. Forcing me to start from scratch. Forcing me to buy some unproven token. Forcing me to go work within the confines of some segregated community out there in the internet hardly anyone knows about. I didn't work for nearly six years just to have it all taken away.

Nope, not recommending anything like any of that - don't know where you could possibly have gotten that.

Nice attempt at victimizing yourself though.

These rumors of stripping the base layer, pulling the rug out, and fucking people; I'm not for it.

Rumors? Pulling rug? You're talking about something unrelated to my recommendation.

You say layer two is the answer and you don't need layer 1.

No, I'm saying that's the only way to save Hive - to keep the focus off Hive and the asshole's who run it.

Some why not practice what you preach and embrace the solutions already in place?

I have for a long time.

They made VYB a downvote free platform and what did you do Kenny?

Nothing, because I will not be using L2 tokens either. I am not adding to Hive any more.

Powered the stake down handed to you, and now in the process of dumping it.

"Handed to me" - your bootlicking is hilarious. I've been curating, organizing, promoting, educating, and creating content for almost 6 years.

You get handed an opportunity that helps solve your personal problems, something you even claim is the solution, but in practice, you piss on it.

As I've made clear many times, the downvoting/rewards are not my problem with Hive - they are a symptom of the problems with hive - Centralization, no shared values, and a broken model: dPoS.

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Kenny. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you or put up with your spin and talk in circles.

I'm not interested in what you're talking about. At all. NO. Not interested. You can sit here and insult people all you want and enjoy this tantrum you've been having for weeks now. I don't want any part of it.

The only asshole trying to run things around here, is you. You can shove that arrogance of yours up your ass. Laugh at me and mock me all you want. It slides right off.

Literally no point in listening to anyone who only sticks around to say they're leaving; won't be around to help clean up the mess they made if they get their way.

Acting like a big shot and champion of the people yet the reality is you go from this:

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Sitting there collecting auto votes to the tune of 27259 HP (source) from virtually no audience for half a decade, easily placing you in the top 360 earners of all time somehow like some statistical anomaly. All while operating @tribesteemup utilizing a generous delegation from a whale, which manages to extract a whopping 225120 HP (source), that you're now funneling into https://peakd.com/@kennysgaminglife/wallet to what? Feed a Splinterlands gambling addiction of sorts? I don't know. I just see the money flying out the door.

All this massive downward spiral, completely destroying yourself and the community built around your curation guild front, over a few downvotes that you freaked out about one day.

I don't know where your head is at bro, but your behavior is hard to watch. And I hate it that I can I see right through you.

I've been here just as long as you. Been downvoted. I've seen a lot of freakouts and meltdowns. Seen a lot of selfishness and plenty of fakes. And I've also seen a lot of folks bounce back after a having a bad day. But you're pointing your finger at everyone and everything, except yourself. This is hard to watch, but I can't help you. You were inconvenienced and now your 'solution' is take it all away, from everyone. This is fucking bonkers.

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Kenny. I'm not going to sit here and argue with you

Then go away. Notice that I am never the one coming to your posts and playing mind games.

I'm not interested in what you're talking about. At all. NO. Not interested. You can sit here and insult people all you want and enjoy this tantrum you've been having for weeks now. I don't want any part of it.

Again, go away then. I've never tagged you, and I don't want to interact with you either; hence my having you muted.

The only asshole trying to run things around here, is you.

Sure. Whatever you say dude.

Acting like a big shot and champion of the people

Nope, just responding to ignorant and false shit that people who know nothing about me say, like you and acid. It's not about ego or something, it's simply about the truth.

Sitting there collecting auto votes to the tune of 27259 HP (source) from virtually no audience for half a decade, easily placing you in the top 360 earners of all time somehow like some statistical anomaly.

You've somehow managed to figure out all the votes I've received that were autovotes? Where's that tool?

And you filtered out all the rewards that were given away automatically via beneficiary, or manually as prizes or donations?

You also keep ignoring the parts where I on-boarded hundreds, promoted in person at dozens of conferences, gave thousands of hours of classes and thousands more of hands-on support, curated, ran contests & giveaways, etc. Never charging anyone for anything - because Hive was paying me to do it, via my rewards.

Again - this isn't about me "claiming" to be anything. It's about you trying to defame me.

All while operating @tribesteemup utilizing a generous delegation from a whale, which manages to extract a whopping 225120 HP (source), that you're now funneling into https://peakd.com/@kennysgaminglife/wallet to what?

Care to give a full breakdown of where all that money has gone over the years, instead of just where some of it has gone for the last 6 months? (which I have been extremely open about)

Again, you're attempting to create a false narrative to defame me.

Feed a Splinterlands gambling addiction of sorts? I don't know.

Trusting my gut and making the smartest investment in my life. Again, very publicly, with literally dozens of posts talking about this.

I just see the money flying out the door.

  1. I can do whatever I want with my money - that's the only rule of Hive remember (also, I've already addressed the spin angle of your comment, above.)
  2. None of that is leaving Hive - which ALL of my rewards until 2020 did (left Steem that is), to pay for life, activism, publishing, and everything else I've done over that time.

All this massive downward spiral, completely destroying yourself and the community built around your curation guild front, over a few downvotes that you freaked out about one day.

Nothing is being destroyed, certainly not me, and certainly nothing I've built.

Also, the fact that you can say this is about "a few downvotes" is further proof that you're being completely dishonest in your comments - because we both know you've been following the conversation since long before I started calling out the BS.

I don't know where your head is at bro, but your behavior is hard to watch. And I hate it that I can I see right through you.

Hilarious, because you've literally been unable to see any of my behavior, because I stopped sharing my life with Hive.

Your projections are quite obvious in these comments, as in every other comment you've ever made on my posts.

You've gotten your virtue signalling in, just in case some of the whales come and read this post and the comments below, now fuck off.

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Dude. You're presenting material intended to be a community discussion. I'm allowed to be here. I left a comment about that situation and how I feel. You took it personally and knocked me down. Instantly. You want to be an asshole? I can be one of those as well, but only when provoked.

Yes. You like to censor with the mute and bully with downvotes.

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There's not a shred of integrity anywhere near you or inside.

You want to sit, mock, and shit on everything and everyone.

Go build your own platform. That's the goal, correct? Go do it already. You're all talk, mainly bullshit, and no action.

I don't care what you do with your money. But to sit there and act like the place is broken when it's been more generous to you that most people. Painful to see.

And you keep propping yourself up to look like a hero. Why? What is so great about onboarding hundreds (yet your comment section was quiet for years with no signs of life), curating, and educating? Damn near everyone does that. You're not special.

You're pathetic dude. I'm not trying to impress anyone. You are. But have fun playing me down with that arrogance of yours. Already told you, your nonsense slides off.

All you want to do is surround yourself with yes men it seems. This is how you treat anyone who questions you. Anyone who agrees you're right there, patting them on the butt.

Quit being such a phony. Or keep being one. I don't give a fuck.

The only reason I showed up to these events just over a month ago was because some folks in this little clique that hates everyone and everything unless you're in it were dragging my name through the mud, for no fucking reason, while I was gone. Dirty. Low. Disgusting. And it broke my heart as well, so fuck you guys, for treating me like a dog.

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Dude. You're presenting material intended to be a community discussion. I'm allowed to be here. I left a comment about that situation and how I feel. You took it personally and knocked me down. Instantly. You want to be an asshole? I can be one of those as well, but only when provoked.

You left a comment full of lies, half-truths, misrepresentations, and random un-related thoughts, all framed in by saying you don't want to argue with me, and pretending I'm the one hassling you - when I've asked and told you dozens of times (since the first comment you left me) to leave me the fuck alone with your bullshit gaslighting.

Yes. You like to censor with the mute and bully with downvotes.

The mute button only affects me dumbass, as you already know.

"Bully with downvotes" huh?

Care to give a breakdown of where I've ever removed rewards with downvotes - besides the hbd.funder comments I made a whole post about, and Haejin back in the day...

For those couple of downvotes you showed, care to include when that was, and how much total rewards were removed?

I'll wait - because we both know you can't back up your bullshit claims (hence why you never address my challenges to you, and just move on with different rambling every time.)

There's not a shred of integrity anywhere near you or inside.

Again, nothing you say "about me" actually reflects on me in any way - because you know nothing about me, haven't even taken in any of my content until I started calling out your sugar daddies, and are clearly just projecting.

You want to sit, mock, and shit on everything and everyone.

Literally describing all of your content and comments...

Go build your own platform. That's the goal, correct? Go do it already.

That's one of the thousands of potential projects swirling around - and I might do that.

But, as I've said many times, it won't be anything like Hive/Steem - because we certainly don't need more social medias.

I don't care what you do with your money.

Then why do you keep trying to demonize me based on the gross number I've earned, and misrepresented where that came from or what's been done with it?

But to sit there and act like the place is broken when it's been more generous to you that most people.

The fact that I (and others) have made money by being supported by people on Hive (the "place" doesn't do anything - only stakeholders) doesn't mean it's not broken.

Again, something I've made extremely clear in all my last posts, if you were doing anything besides leaving troll comments in an attempt to provoke me.

If you knew anything about me or my content, you'd also know that I've put out tons of pieces that were specifically and ONLY about my gratitude to the people who have supported me, gratitude for the opportunity to share my voice, and gratitude for the ability to support hundreds of others.

And you keep propping yourself up to look like a hero.

And you keep saying that I'm doing things, without any evidence, after I refute them.

Almost as though you're not paying attention at all, or interested in anything but shit-talk.

What is so great about onboarding hundreds

That's how you grow a platform - except that Hive/Steem has driven them all away.

You're pathetic dude. I'm not trying to impress anyone. You are. But have fun playing me down with that arrogance of yours. Already told you, your nonsense slides off.

It's really obvious that you not only don't read my content or comments back, but you must not even read what you're writing.

It's quite hilarious how obvious the lies & projection are, bud.

Just keep throwing ad hominems and describing people other than me. That will definitely prove your point.

All you want to do is surround yourself with yes men it seems. This is how you treat anyone who questions you. Anyone who agrees you're right there, patting them on the butt.

Again, something that only someone completely ignorant of me, my life, my community, and my content could possibly say with a straight face.

The only reason I showed up to these events just over a month ago was because some folks in this little clique that hates everyone and everything unless you're in it were dragging my name through the mud, for no fucking reason, while I was gone. Dirty. Low. Disgusting. And it broke my heart as well, so fuck you guys, for treating me like a dog.

So you've been publicly defaming and harrassing me, after many demands that you cease because some other people, in some threads that I wasn't even in, were talking shit about you, and you got triggered?

Why is that not surprising?

PS

Notice how the whales zero-ing out the people they don't like are always around to give you multiple dollars in rewards for your public defamation and other fraudulent comments.

Who's the "clique" again?

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Hey Kenny. I already told you I'm not interested in arguing, or putting up with your spin, and talking in circles. That's all you're doing. It's weird. Your insults are lame. You've been doing that since I left a comment here. You just want me to look bad. I already told you your nonsense slides off.

And I can't control who votes for what, and why.

Piss off already. You're annoying. Whatever I say now, you'll just do the same thing. Like talking to a wall. I could say you're name is Kenny, and you'd try to find a way to deny it while propping yourself up. I've not seen such arrogance before. It's absurd.

An now you're accusing Anthony of having integrity issues, when his bot upvotes comments automatically and randomly, all the time, for a lot of people. That's how full of shit you are. Everything you say is bullshit at this point, to me. Nothing will change that. I have no reason to trust you or anything you say. You're far too concerned with making yourself look good, after trying to make me look bad. I'm 100% sure you owe Anthony an apology now, but you won't, because you're too high on yourself to notice how much of an asshole you are.

Go find something more productive to do, like building that platform you keep bullshitting about.

You present yourself as a proponent of free speech. But what you mean to say is you're a proponent of free speech when it's convenient for you. Your actions speak louder than your words. You're full of it.

People have been trying to tell you folks solutions are already in place. Nonstop, any time you folks gather to complain about these same problems, people show up and attempt to explain which solutions are in place. There's even room to improve upon L2 solutions. Nobody is stopping anyone. Yet all that is suspiciously ignored. For months, people have been trying to help. Every single fucking post people come and try to clue you folks in. People have spent hours and hours talking in circles with you people. For nothing. It's in one ear and out the other. That's intentional. This is all a show. Solutions are in place and have been for quite some time.

I think some of you folks are too cowardly to act, solve your problems, and enjoy all the attention you get from pretending solutions are not available.

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Hey Kenny. I already told you I'm not interested in arguing, or putting up with your spin, and talking in circles.

I've been telling you for months to stop harassing me.

Since we all know you aren't illiterate, I can only assume that you have no respect for consent, and are simply going to continue harassing me and attempting to defame me as long as I use this platform.

And you're being financially rewarded for it.

The perfect example of everything wrong with Hive.

Again - LEAVE ME ALONE

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Dude. I disagreed with what's in your post. I don't want to see L1 dismantled. I even pointed out how there are solutions in place and it seems many of those who could benefit are unwilling to embrace them, yourself included. And I said that based on your actions, not some bullshit I pulled out of the ether.

You started insulting me. I don't consent to being pushed around and silenced. Leave me alone.

I could say your response just now is you putting on a show and trying to manipulate me and anyone reading. You would deny that and try to make me out to be the villain, again.

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But that's what you said last time we spoke. Doesn't quite fit with what you're saying this time. Your behavior is beyond frustrating. Contradicting yourself nonstop.

I'm not your enemy. I simply disagree. I value honesty and integrity. No need to throw me under the bus and treat me like a piece of meat.

Have a nice day.

P.S. If you disagree with the rewards, downvote them. Perfect tool for the job when used responsibly. How is Hive broken when the solution to your issue comes standard? Do you refuse to use a fork then complain about the food not going in your mouth? Silly humans...

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Stop harassing me and stop trying to gaslight me.

Period.

This is the only reply I will ever leave you again - because you don't seem to get the message.

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There's a solution, that most every side seems to agree upon...

I disagreed...

  1. don't know where you could possibly have gotten that.

  2. Nice attempt at victimizing yourself though

  3. your bootlicking is hilarious

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And if you actually understood what the term 'gaslighting' means, you'd see that's all you've been doing to me, from the start. Even the way you've used the term incorrectly here, is gaslighting.

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Nothing is being destroyed, certainly not me, and certainly nothing I've built.

You just nuked your entire blog. I told you this downward spiral was hard to watch. I hope someday you realize you had it good. The solutions to your problems were there all along; problems weren't permanent. The people you pushed away were just trying to help. The people encouraging you and helping you fall apart were not looking out for you.

I hope there are some good people close to you, in life, that have your back.

Good luck dude.

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LOL.

Your experience seeing what I am doing on the blockchain doesn't affect me.

No spiral, just freeing myself from any ties to this place.

I haven't felt as good in YEARS as I have since deciding to leave Hive.

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"I'm not going to sit here and argue with you"

Yes you are - long ago you used to write funny posts, these days all you do is spout utter crap on other people's posts...

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Another member of the clique. Here to take a shit on me. Better not defend myself, right? Just go make the people laugh, right?

Don't be a dick.

"all you do is spout utter crap on other people's posts..."

Lie.

And @frot. I saw this coming over a month ago when I said to urasoul:

Plus yourself and a few others want to dismantle the reward pool, tuck everyone off in some barren wasteland to work for unproven second layer options, effectively deplatforming the glaring majority of talent and offering them no clear future.

Here: https://peakd.com/witness/@ura-soul/the-hive-freedom-proxy-over-dollar17m-worth-of-hive-witness-votes-available-for-serious-free-speech-witnesses

It was clear to me where this entire smear campaign was headed, a long time ago. I realize some of you are going through some shit, but we've had a lot of time to put our heads together. Recent developments offering potential solutions have arisen. Those are ignored and you're even a whale of one. This has never been about solving problems. And I even said that in the post linked above, over a month ago. This is all a show meant to drag on and on and on and on. Talking in circles with every post. It's creating and maintaining a rift. Getting everyone worked up on one side of the great divide, so they run to the next platform that's apparently being built and even mentioned over a month ago, here, and before that as well, by the same group. This place has to look ugly and that place has to look shiny. That's where I see this going. If I'm wrong, problems get solved. If I'm right, I'm right. Either way, I don't care anymore. I doubt anything will come of it, calling it a bluff, and have a feeling folks are being misled. I can be wrong, too. Doesn't bother me.

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Another member of the clique.

The getting-downvoted-by-millionaires clique?

If you were to look anything up before speaking, you'd know that frot and I never even interacted until the recent downvoting campaign started.

But we're all just on the same team, and against you, right? Nothing paranoid or delusional about that...

Better not defend myself, right?

Again, stop pretending to be the victim as you go around attacking people in the comments of their posts, just because you don't like getting called out for your lies and gaslighting attempts.

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Do you not see someone instigate, then my response?

You did it to me, he did it to me. Just because your mind is twisted and it's always opposite day for you doesn't make it cool.

Stop trying to bother me. You're just making yourself look like a tool.

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"Stop trying to bother me. You're just making yourself look like a tool"

LOL...

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Well I can see turning Hive into just a wallet when we have a truly decentralized second layer, soon thanks to @dlux correct me if I am mistaken but have talked to Hive Engine Devs and people working on Dlux's project who agree. As well as better transparency happen with our second layer ie How I lost half of my SPT curation and sps airdrop points when delegating My 1.2 spt to @spt-curate and told to kick rocks from HE Team. Got my full air drop points and curation back when undelegating.

Not sure who both sides are but I know a couple of PAL people who are associated with splinterlands that want to just turn Hive in to some liquidity rewards pool for some imagined 300% apr thing but who are the others?

Hive was deflationary for a short period of time but seems it now has a 7.5% inflation rate after upbit gained more liquid hive somehow from 60% to 70% of all liquid hive on the market. I am not seeing some massive devaluing of Hive due to large stake holders but rather consolidated liquid hive on upbit.

https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@dalz/exchanges-transfers-report-or-transfers-to-and-from-exchanges-by-date-and-accounts-sgaza

https://hive.blog/hive-133987/@penguinpablo/weekly-report-how-much-hive-is-stored-on-the-exchanges-december-8-2021

https://peakd.com/hive/@dalz.shorts/thinking-of-monthly-hive-inflation-and-supply-report

If you trust the second layer why wouldnt you lean in the second layer or just fork like you intend on doing anyways. In this argument you are making you are seeming spiteful without providing clearer stats. Do you have stats for the the users being flagged to 0? I have seen primarily just you, ura and the youtube celebrity link droppers who share their youtube videos mainly. Even then I am not really seeing Ura's posts to 0 surprisingly. Wouldnt we want to provide clearer stats for the # of users being downvoted to 0? It would appear that number would be less than 1%. I am in no way condoning the downvotes towards freespeech content or retaliatory flags but it does seem it is happening on a very small amount of users comparatively to the rest of the users on hive.

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Ya, it seems between Hive-Engine, dlux, and SPK, there will be a strong, and more decentralized L2.

If you trust the second layer why wouldnt you lean in the second layer

I don't trust L2 at all. Same reason I don't use any ETH L2s.

just fork like you intend on doing anyways

I'm not looking to fork Hive in any way that could be called a fork. Looking to create something with similar tech (maybe based on Hive's) but completely different ethics, incentives, and purpose. Not even remotely a "competitor" because they're nowhere near the same kind of platform.

Do you have stats for the the users being flagged to 0?

I don't have any stats, but some folks off the top of my head: @krnel, @barge, @lucylin, @regenerette, @frankbacon, @frot, @logiczombie, @arabisouri, @ura-soul, and @jasonliberty as you mentioned, a dozen or more other folks that have popped up in the comments of my last posts, plus the other big name folks you mentioned like @joshsigurdson, @lukewearechange, @tlavagabond, @maxigan, @pressfortruth and so on.

Plus the many people who aren't account nuked - but nuked any time they make content exposing inter-generational organized crime.

I'm sure the people I just tagged can give a much longer list than I can.

Anyway, there's a LOT more problems here than just the one symptom of malicious down-voting, as you well know.

I just can't justify feeding the beast anymore - same reason I don't use banks, credit cards, Bitcoin, or Ripple.

Getting ready to run steempruner on both of my Hive accounts actually.

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Contents censored, posts demonitized, reputation affected by a few whales including the top one based on political views, they explicitly told, even Zuck's committee of 'fact checkeers' couldn't remove links to such views anymore, apparently Hive whales can suppress.

https://hive.blog/informationwar/@arabisouri/a-couple-of-hive-whales-took-away-hives-worth-hundreds-of-dollars-from-me

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https://hive.blog/informationwar/@hivewatchers/re-arabisouri-2022110t131535324z

Dude you are taking other people's content and not sourcing it and doing it repeatedly while then casting blanket accusations towards your critics by aimlessly calling them isis supporters? Your main form of defense is to call people terriorists? It is pretty wild the way you are aimlessly attacking others by calling them isis supporters, copying and pasting without sourcing your material while acting like you are innocent.

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This is the lamest accusation someone ever cast against me, first of all, whose contents I'm taking and not sourcing? I'm me, I'm taking my contents and sourcing it to me, check me and check I, we're the same person. The site I'm sourcing is mine and I'm one of the two authors there, the links to the site source are there in every single post, so I taking content from me and sourcing me in my posts is totally opposite to your ridiculous claim.

That's for one, second, calling people who openly support ISIS as ISIS supporters is not an 'aimlessly attack as my main form of defense.' The person in question who I called as an ISIS supporter literally said that he 'spent time during the war in areas in northern Syria and Iraq' which were controlled by ISIS; and he is downvoting my posts in which I'm exposing ISIS and their crimes, there's a screenshot of his written confession in the previous post linked in the one above.. also, there are a large number of articles I've shared on Hive with links to my site which include testimonials, leaked audio confessions, footage, documents, and even western news reporting on the relations between NATO (the US forces, Turkish 'intelligence', and the British) with ISIS, Al Qaeda Levant, the FSA, Nusra Front, HTS, Hamzat, Sultan Murad Brigades, the Turkestan Islamist Party (Chinese Uighur). You're barking at the very wrong tree dude.

If you're new to this issue do a bit of research before casting accusations. Try to read the content you judge first, like first read my content then analyze my content then judge my content, do not judge my content on the content written by someone else whining why I duly accused him of being an ISIS supporter.

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Have you looked at those accounts lately? Only frot is getting flagged to 0 that is making original content even then it seems he may have copy and pasted some time in the past and refuses to talk to hivewatchers. Press for truth yeah he is getting nailed for lazy copy and paste but even luke is killing it. Jason liberty yeah on the posts attacking the downvoters he gets flagged, which is somewhat expected. I am still not seeing this thing where all these people are getting flagged to 0. A lot of these people mentioned still make more than the average hivian.

Frank burned his bridge with me a long time ago dude is out of his freaking mind and has no respect for anyone not even people sticking up for him, in that case I deserved to be burned by him cause he is out of his mind. Logic edits same post over and over again while tagging LOTS of people and I have been trying to work with him to hopefully make his content a little more better than a edited post on repeat.

Well, if you find a community that is sustainable with food, water, shelter and has a reasonable system of governance not requiring energy exchange in the form of a currency; let me know I will be there in a new york min! I know a guy who is building one in Boise who needs @eco-alex's help. So I am not kidding. If you know somewhere where the water, food, shelter and governance is healthy and sustainable I will be there so fast! Until then Hive imo is a viable solution to supplement income so as to not have to get two jobs or work for a company like fiverr or amazon.

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No, I have never copied and pasted any posts, several of my alt accounts are also being downvoted, I have around 100 ex Steemit or Hive friends who have quit because of downvoting, and well over 10 who are currently being downvoted just like I am.

HIVEWATCHERS?...LOL...

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Well when i have seen spaminator it usually centers around just that. I have helped others get their stuff cleared up. But recently saw logiczombie getting refused for dlease cause of his posts speaking out to the downvoters.

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Basically I'm an "anti-vax conspiracy theorist" and Steemit/Hive ex-orca being hounded off a platform that I've been on since Aug 2016, which is holding copies of well over 500 of my original blog posts, and using that content (along with tens of thousands of posts by other content creators, who in many cases have been driven off Hive) to establish itself as a credible blogging platform.

Some of those bloggers are amongst the best bloggers of the past decade, and they are certainly not putting any more of their content on this blockchain. In fact some of them have come back and deleted each of their old posts because they are so pissed off with what they have seen happening on Hive.

One of the large Hive insider accounts downvoting me told me to "Fuck off to Blurt where morons like me can all congregate together"

I am continuing to interact with some of them, who I'm still friends with, on other platforms such as Bastyon, which I now see as the only social media platform set up to overcome the global online censorship that I'm expecting to see ramp up within just one year.

https://bastyon.com

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Kenny gave examples of people in this post for people being downvoted to 0 and you are only real valid example. So you have my ear. Who are these 100 people or rather the 10 currently you mention.

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Until VYB was set up I couldn't comment as @frot because my comments were being auto upvoted and then nuked. So I used the burner account @pube which was of course knocked down to below zero rep - not wanting to trash any more of my alt accounts I kept commenting with @pube anyway.

I'm a bit flat out today - gotta get working rather than being distracted by Hive - one to start with is @lucylin, I suspect that my association with him is a big part of why I was initially downvoted.

If I wanted to put in the time I honestly could come up with the account names - 10 is conservative. But right now I don't want to focus on this. I live in New Zealand - my country is being screwed!

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and you are only real valid example

Not true, I was personally being downvoted to zero consistently for months, and @lucylin to this day still is. Others, too, if you just scroll back in time you will see with your own eyes. Also, just because the 'censors' take a break now and again, doesn't mean they don't start back up again. As they have just recently done with myself, as I am now, after a week of posting with no big downvotes, once again on the receiving end of zero out policy for posting my fact-based research and opinions that challenge the establishment Covid narrative, in other words for being a 'anti-vaxxer'...

7 day old post, downvoted to zero:

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And if one thinks that is not part of a campaign targeting my account specifically (among others), one needs only look back a couple months, it's truly a sight to behold:

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That's just a sample, there are many more, and more voted down from dozens or hundreds to pennies or a few dollars as well, many times because I waited for the curangel account to zero out post on day 5/6 before submitting post to freezepeach which in those cases redeemed a few dollars worth of value. So many of those low value posts through the months also were zeroed out before coming up to the 5 or 10 or 12 or whatever they were at payout time...

Zero out culture is alive and well here on Hive, it's happening, and you claiming that none of those listed by Kenny were having posts voted to zero simply isn't true. There are others, I've seen with my own eyes, so just because they may not have zeroed posts in their current payout cycle doesn't mean they aren't targeted. Also sometimes big weighted stakeholders who support the targeted user(s) comes in and reverses the zero payout or brings it up slightly with a big vote, but that doesn't mean posts aren't getting voted down to zero, they are, in large numbers, by a handful of select users targeting very specific scientific information, research and political viewpoints (namely, those that challenge the establishment Covid narrative, especially when it comes to the 'safe and effective' mRNA 'vaccines', and those that speak out against the Hive oligarchy downvote/zero out culture responsible for the targeting)...

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I don't understand why you are attempting to downplay the BS on Hive, when you have been the one convincing me of how bad it is for quite some time...

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Well I am simply engaging in open discussion because I support your efforts and appreciate you. Just I do not see how trying to wall off Hive as you are on your way out is going to benefit anyone. I didn't appreciate the downvoters for sure and engaged with them and had many conversations with them. But when people in the truth community like Frank and others can not have civil conversations and just wanna curse and scream and yell at the millionaires who are responsible for Hive even being in existence with their investments, I look closer at it all and see how people are only out for themselves in real life and esp in the truth community.

Who was there for me when I stuck my neck out for the people being downvoted? No one not even the people I was sticking up for. But you with HP delegation. Who was there for me when people like frank started taking my content like comments and using it in their battles against the downvoters unapproved... no one.

Who was there when I was ripped off by Splinterlands and my spt investment? No one. Ever wonder why I dug up that lawsuit? Maybe it was because I was ripped off and was tipped off by a witness about how splinterlands monopolized Hive.

The downvoters have always engaged in civil conversations with me and have made sense 99% of the time. The people in the truth community have used my content in their battles with downvoters, threatened violence, lied and plagiarized or even turn their back on me as I defended them on their own posts.

You have been my strongest supporter but I dont get why you ignored me when bringing up how My spt investment went way bad. So it is what it is and I love the heck out of you but not the truth community. Like you said these downvoters are supporting more content than downvoting and are feeding people all over the world.

A health brain works within a system to make it work for itself not revolt against it and destroy all opportunities.

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In 5 1/2 years no insider whale downvoter has EVER engaged in civil conversation with me - on the very rare occassion they have commented, they have been utter arseholes every time!

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Jason liberty yeah on the posts attacking the downvoters he gets flagged

Yeah, I get big downvotes on those, and on a whole bunch of other type of posts too, it was only because of systematic targeting by them against myself that I began to speak out against downvotes in the first place... Dozens of my posts have been voted down to zero or near zero (many only above zero after being brought back up by massive upvotes). I've had at least 12 posts zeroed out in the past 3 months which remained that way, more that are only above zero because they were downvoted to within pennies or a dollar of zero (when I called out curangel for 'zero out' policy, this began to occur interspersed with ones being voted down to zero) or because they were brought back up above zero with upvotes post-zeroing.

Yeah, they clearly dislike posts calling out their downvote policy, but it would appear they hate facts, research and opinions that challenge the establishment Covid narrative and 'safety' and 'efficacy' of the experimental mRNA Covid injections even more...

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They are clearly pro-science while saying they are anti-government which I find hilarious. But I do see that despite the occasional post being zerod out here and there your content is heavily reward and would appear that it is in large part approved by these downvoters. So I am wondering how downvotes are impacting you in such a way to abandon Hive or be used as an example of how Hive is broken. You make a lot for your well written posts not even hating but it would appear that your freedom of speech centered content is largely approved its just when questioning the science. Which I agree 100% with you on the matter its all bullshit and the government needs to stop getting in the way with medical decisions made in private between you and you doctor. The government special interest groups and the clowns running the show needs to stop this nonsense.

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I'm responding to Your response to a Gaslighter for the "Crew"....

Do you have stats for the the users being flagged to 0?

WHAT A COMPLETELY FUCKING RETARD!

The block, if viewed by the right kind of researchers shows that a TINY fraction of the few thousand users on HIVE are in control of a NINJA MINED STAKE that should be ZEROed out before ANY OF THESES OTHER RIDICULOUS IDEAS GET SERVICED.

Great ideas! But if the Original Sin is never addressed, everything that comes after will be corrupted... like it is now.

Long story short Bruv, ever since meeting you in 2015 I knew you were a big deal...
My suggestion would be to fold up HIVE/STEEM for BLURT in 2022 with your Tribe.
Without a Downvote button OR a concentrated stake in the hands of PsychoDorks from Portugal, BLURT would give you a head start in gaining back what was lost over the years of Whale Wars.
Ultimately, BLURT will jump ahead of HIVE/STEEM in value but those other chains will not go away... Which is why I personally will be doing my part to just get a few whales in front of some respective Regulators in their country and get them known to their community better.

HIVE!Regards

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Everything I post on Hive has been flagged to zero for months, and I also have a couple of alt accounts that have had the same treatment. Many of my friends have stopped using Hive because of the constant downvoting. As well as wiping my earnings it has also dropped my rep.

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Yes, I seen that and have acknowledged it. You are being flagged to 0 on every post for sure and really only guy that ive seen being attacked so aggressively. I also see a spaminator flag on your content... Did you copy and paste once a long time a go without sourcing material and refused to go to Hivewatchers? I have told people to go to Hivewatchers to clear up such situations successfully in the past. I dont think in your situation that will work tho. @guiltyparties @hivewatchers what is the deal with frot? Seems he is one of the few people who is being flagged to 0.

I have been clear with many how I do not think flagging free speech is cool. It is the perspective of the downvoters that free speech shouldn't be monetized, I do not think that is cool and have been cancelled in real life for speaking truth to power. Losing a job for sticking up for people and standing up for their rights suck. But are you here to earn or to spread awareness? I think perhaps in your situation your content is not intended to earn but rather to send a message. I do think that 2nd layer solutions exists for what you are doing and to be honest from what I have seen a lot of people on hive do not care about anti science views and anti government views and want to avoid that conversation not to mention this platform isnt that popular or used by the masses. I have found myself isolated from many people and groups on Hive for my perspectives on my anti-science and anti-government views just like in real life. Heck, I have even found a large anti American bias towards Americans here where many discriminate against Americans for being American. So why even try to bark up a tree that wont get me anywhere? Just me though and I would rather work to find healthy solutions than to repeatedly pound my head against a tree on hive and real life.

I really would like to earn on Hive and if my objective here was to spread truth and awareness than the downvotes wouldnt matter since I would own my content and it wouldnt be deleted. I could easily SEO my content and make it available all across the internet. Heck, that is what the famous youtube celebs are doing here on Hive... Just cross posting their youtube videos here sending everyone to their web 2.0 platforms. I wish they used Threespeak instead and put more effort into utilizing the Hive platform where their content cant be removed.

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I wish they used Threespeak instead and put more effort into utilizing the Hive platform where their content cant be removed.

Most of them do use 3speak, and those that don't quit because of its often days-long "processing."

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23 accounts currently on list comment/post farming. 23 isn't "a couple".

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Six months ago I didn't think this was a good idea. Now I do. It's amazing the change in perspective when everything you do on a platform gets nuked!

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This already exists. Hive Engine developed an option a while ago to disregard L1 content monetization settings (payment declined) and downvotes while still issuing whatever token. https://github.com/hive-engine/steemsmartcontracts/pull/125

Hive isn't here for everyone to get paid how they want with zero disagreement. Censoring those who don't like something by removing their ability to interact is something you can find virtually everywhere else. It has no place on Hive. But like I said, there's an exact solution from Hive Engine that you're looking for.

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So how do you turn off the comment rewards in Hive?

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Dont get into a convo with this perv
Wait for the dossier to see what you're talking with.

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Looks like you got it.

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I'm using VYB front end where turning off rewards on comments is an option - but on Hive or Peakd or Leo or POB my comments get nuked...

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I believe the individual Outposts/tokens need to have this enabled. Best is to inquire in the Hive Engine discord.

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Listen fucktard... This is not your chain

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Most informative comment on this post, but had to read to the bottom to find it. Fixing that.

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