When Was Last Time You Updated Your Hive-Engine Tokens Voting Multipliers?

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I bet at least half of you, guys and gals, have no idea what I am talking about... And that is normal, nothing wrong with that.

If you came on Hive in the last few years or weren't really interested in deeper details about Hive-Engine and how tribe tokens work, it's very likely you never heard of that or, if you did, you didn't pay attention to it.

Before we go into details, let's talk about some generalities first.

You are probably aware that Hive-Engine is a sidechain of Hive.

Hive-Engine supports both fungible tokens (like LEO or DEC) and non-fungible tokens (for example, cards for certain games).

One special case of fungible tokens is the tribe tokens, which have a reward pool associated. LEO is such a case. Tribe tokens distribute rewards from the pool every day based on the curation of stakeholders.

As you probably know, there are multiple such tribes, each with its own rules and reward pool. And all of them with a different reward pool than the one for Hive.

Even from the introduction of tribes on Hive-Engine some years ago, there was a discussion on how to manage the levels of voting power for each reward pool, so that we don't reach a situation where the voting power for one tribe gets depleted out of control and another stays at 100% almost the entire time.

For that, distinct strategies were used by different people:

  • maximalist way: focus on HIVE Power and ignore everything else
  • multi-account way: this involves creating different accounts for different tribes (that's why you see accounts with distinctive extensions like ".leo" or ".pob"); the strategy could be quite complex, involving trailing votes with different accounts based on the tags used
  • voting-weight multipliers way: we'll talk about this next

I thought about this after noticing the last addition to the interface of INLEO:

The 3 circles show the depletion of the:

  1. Hive voting power
  2. LEO voting power
  3. Available Resource Credits

I noticed that, while my Hive voting power was at 80%+, which was normal, my LEO voting power was close to 100%. As you can see from the screenshot, this is no longer the case.

How to Tweak Voting Weight Multipliers to Balance Voting Power Consumption Over Various Reward Pools

Voting multipliers are a way to control the weight at which you vote on different tribe tokens so that you keep the level of voting power for each pool in check. It is not a "set and forget" kind of setting, and you'll have to tweak it as often as necessary, depending on your voting patterns and how they change (how much content from a certain tribe you vote compared to others or to non-tribe content).

How does this work?

Your vote on Hive always has a 1x multiplier. If you vote at 30% weight, your vote will have a 30% weight on Hive.

Vote weights of tribe tokens can have multipliers compared to that. For example, a 2x multiplier applied to a 30% vote weight you make, will generate a 60% vote weight for that token instead of 30%.

So, to give a clearer example: let's say you vote with a weight of 30% on a LEO post, and you have a 2x vote multiplier for LEO. That will generate a 30% weight vote on Hive and a 60% weight vote on Leo. The vote obviously can't get higher than 100% weight (a full vote), even if the multiplier would generate a higher weight.

That allows you to drain your LEO voting power twice as quickly as your Hive voting power, and it makes sense if only about half of the posts you vote on have the 'leofinance' or 'leo' tags.

Now, where to change the voting weight multipliers from?

There used to be a bunch of tools from where one could do that when the feature was first introduced. Not sure how many of them still exist, but the one I use for that is leodex.

From the Rewards menu, you can change the vote weight multiplier setting like in the images below:

It's not a clear number you should put in there for each token. It's done by testing. Ideally, the voting power(s) should be kept above 75-80% if you vote daily because they regenerate at about 2% per hour. Higher if you vote more often, lower if you vote once a day. Lower than 75% if you vote less often than daily.


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Honestly, I have never done that before but thank you for the reminder
I’d put it on my mind

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I havent checked for a while, thanks for the heads up.

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Yeah, me neither before I saw my VP for LEO yesterday.

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Hello, @gadrian Thank you for the lesson on the Hive Engine Tokens Multiplier. Hive is more complicated than I thought! 😅 I will need to check out my Hive engine token multipliers. Have a great week! Barb 🌟👍😊 !BBH !CTP #ctp

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Thanks for the reminder. Really haven't done so for a long while

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Hi @gadrian I just thought of something. This is where AI would come in handy for people that don't understand this and too stressed to do it or don't have the time. If the Hive engine tokens voting multipliers were to be automatic it would make life on Hive so much easier. Maybe there could be a choice to use AI to calculate the multiplier or do it manually for those who love doing calculations manually. Have a great day! Barb #ctp

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Not unless it is implemented in Hive-Engine. The multipliers idea isn't great, but it is what they came up with a few years ago and nothing changed since.

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I haven't really touched it in a long time. I remember it kind of breaking when outposts came out so I wonder if they have sorted out all the issues.

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They work. At least the VP drains quicker with a higher multiplier, I haven't actually checked to see the influence on rewards.

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Oh, I didn't know about this. I guess it doesn't matter much though since I barely have tribal tokens. But if do accumulate them, this is a good information to have.

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Well, it's true, if you don't have tribe tokens you can't make much use of this information. Although, you have some SPT staked, you can use the multiplier to balance the SPT reward pool with the HIVE one.

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I checked the rewards tab in leodex and I don't see SPT. I did see a few other tokens, and I have 100 percent on all of them. From the ones I have staked, a lot seem to be missing like Oneup. I guess I can tweak them all to 3x multiplier. Thanks.

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Strange. I have all of them and some tokens I have no idea existed.

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I set these up few years ago. The multiplier seems to have been reset at least for $LEO voting. I will have to fix this up today.

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Didn't you change it? It's true, I found the multiplier for LEO at 1, but others were higher. I do vote many LEO posts, and sometimes I have to switch from 2 to 1 because I deplete my LEO power too much.

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I didn't have to change it. https://leodex.io rewards shows different numbers to what is shown on InLeo UI.

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On INLEO it shows the HP and LEO Power percentages (how much HP and LP is left). On Leodex, it shows the rewards multiplier.

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LeoDEX does show voting power.

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Ah, yes, you are right! I thought you were comparing the multiplier with the voting power, but I forgot VP is shown on leodex too.

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Excellent information, Adrian.
I was not aware of the multiplier, or I heard about it and have since forgotten, lol

You also helped me understand the multiple accounts that people use for each tribe.
My question is, if I were to have a main account and also add a .LEO and .CTP account would that not be double dipping on the Hive curation if I were to upvote a post with more than one account?

I always learn from your posts and I appreciate the information, @gadrian

#ctp
#threadsforever

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Usually, when people have multiple accounts for curation purposes for tribes, they have HP on the main account and no HP on the tribe accounts (they delegate some resources for them to have enough). Each specialized account has a stake for the respective tribe (or maybe several similar tribes). For example, a ".ctp" account would have your CTP stake, a ".leo" account would have your LEO stake, and so on. A gaming account would have all gaming-related tokens.

For LEO you have to be careful if you use an alt account because you should also post and curate LEO content via that account instead of the main account to benefit from the LeoAds rewards.

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Thanks, @gadrian
That makes sense.
I appreciate the explanation, Adrian.

!CTP
!ALIVE
!BBH

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Wow I didn't know this haha! I tend to sell most of my Hive Engine tokens into Hive (shh :P) and then power up. It's easier that way as I can curate any post as long as I think they deserve a vote.

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Then you are a HIVE maximalist. I won't tell anyone, lol.

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