How Much Is HIVE Power Delegation Worth?
To attempt to answer this question, we need to put together a couple of elements.
First, what does HIVE Power (HP) offer?
- the governance voting rights, if used
- the resource credits (for everyone, RCs are useful to operate on Hive; for larger accounts their best use case is to claim account creation tokens using their RCs or the RCs delegated to them - that allows them to create free full accounts on Hive)
- the potential curation rewards (normally between 8-9% APR), if the account curates
- the so-called "interest" that is a little lower than 3% and paid to all HP holders
Of these benefits, which are transferred by HP delegation?
- resource credits associated with the delegated HP
- curation rewards
On the interest part, I am not sure, but I know others know the answer to this. Have you noticed that if you delegate HP to someone, that amount in HP grows over time?
For example, I delegated 5,000 HP to @leo.voter some time ago. Notice that the delegation says "5,009 HP" now?
We know that HIVE operations at the core of the blockchain use the VEST token, which is for internal use. That means that internally, you delegate VESTS to another account, not HP. We also know that the ratio between VESTS and HIVE fluctuates. If the delegation remains constant in VESTS, that means the increasing delegation in HP happens only because VEST becomes more valuable over time compared to HP. Don't ask me to explain exactly the mechanics behind that, I'm not that knowledgeable about the inner workings of Hive.
So, one way or another, the delegation increases in HP over time. I choose to think (although I don't have knowledge or evidence in that sense), that interest plays a role in that increase.
So, in my interpretation, ownership for interest paid on delegations remains to the delegators, but it is used by the delegatees until the delegations are withdrawn.
Owners also retain the full governance voting rights, as we know.
So, if we were to synthesize, a delegatee (often a big project if we are talking about worth) often uses a delegation in one or more of these ways:
- to create free full Hive accounts (or rather to pile up tokens that can be used to do that)
- to offer newcomers a minimum of resource credits to be able to interact without issues on Hive
- to use or distribute rewards from the HIVE reward pool
- distribution can happen in the form of dividends or maybe upvotes based on certain rules
- usage can be to fund development (we have a recent example in Holozing), or to increase the value of a growth fund, for example
Also, if we are talking about projects and not individual delegatees, they often offer some incentive to be delegated HP. There were also options to lend HP for an APR to whoever was interested in delegating their HP out. Not sure how many of them still work.
The rewards/incentives one receives in return for a HP delegation are very important to analyze. The risk grows considerably the more exotic they are. As a rule I have for myself, if I don't want to accumulate the tokens received as rewards for delegating HP, it's not worth analyzing any further, regardless of the APR.
One could also say, simplistically, that the APR of delegated HP is 8/9+3=11/12%. So, a 15% APR would be enough to attract the delegation, right?
Well, in my opinion, no.
For big projects, rewards they can distribute from the reward pool is a bonus, but there are other things at stake:
- resource credits that give them free claim tokens for Hive accounts
- increased influence, through the way votes are distributed, curation trails, etc.
For the delegator, there is also the matter of receiving second-layer (side-chain) tokens instead of the base-layer rewards. In most cases, this in itself should come with a premium.
In my opinion, the worth of a HP delegation is at least 20% (without conditions), unless rewards are also HIVE, in which case, it can be lower. Can be much higher for more exotic token rewards.
I haven't put a number on the worth of my HP delegations until now. It will offer me some strong guidelines going forward.
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I think you're wrong about the reason for the delegate HP going up. I may be wrong, but as far as I've been told it goes up exactly the ~3% APR that the HP gains in stake, when you delegate 100HP to any account for example 1 year later you will have approximately 103HP delegated to that account regardless of the vestshare values. The vestshare varies MUCH more than this small amount and varies both upwards and downwards while the delegated HP never decreases but only increases progressively by an average of 3%APR.
Apart from this small correction, I liked your analysis, the delegation to nexo.voter pays something very close to 20% APR and the token has a great price stability in the last year!
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I kind of agreed that interest might be at least part of the mix that made the HP delegation grow over time. But you might be right and it might be the only thing that matters and not the vest to hive fluctuations.
Thanks for your feedback!
I think I agree that HP is undervalued by people. Influence on the chain, proposals and the reward pools are things that I think are important. I don't really know what number to put on it though.
Well, I guess it could vary a bit. Maybe in some cases, it could be 18%. I just wanted to set a number as a guideline, and I will probably make some decisions based on that number (but not only that, because that's not the only factor). But only up to 3% higher than the APR from curation rewards + interest seems not worth it in most cases, especially since interest accumulates for the delegation as well, and it benefits from RCs and the influence of curating.
This is very interesting. I do agree that staked HP gives more than what the numbers say. There can be more interaction and voice when one has higher HP.
Yes, that is true for content creators who hold significant HP and don't delegate it away. Success attracts and always will. If the content is also good, that pretty much guarantees more engagement if the author cares about that and doesn't ignore it.
One of the best thing is to be able to accumulate as much hive power as possible
Thank you for this
I’m very glad that I now know the essence of HP and that is why I am trying so hard to acquire more and more
You're welcome! I always thought HP was the central piece of Hive.
Hive delegation is a very interesting topic as we always look for the highest APR while delegating.
I believe hive delegation is the safest way to grow your stake on the blockchain.
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Well, yeah, but it's not all about APR. It must be the right project and normally, I delegate out a smaller portion of the stake than I use myself.
HP delegation has many benefits, we can support people and we also get rewards in return.
Thank you for sharing on this perspective. It helps me view things in a bigger aspect.
I think it pays much more to acquire more hive power and to make use of it for delegations