Hive Island and the Crypto Space

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In real life, if an island needs more people or commerce, it needs to be:

  • known
  • attractive
  • well-connected

If an island is closer to the mainland or other islands, then bridges become the easiest way to travel and move goods between them.

If the island is in the middle of the Pacific with nothing but water nearby, bridges are not an option. Then, they'd better have a highly developed seaport. If its location is not close to maritime ship routes, then this option is not so viable either.

Then they'd better have the infrastructure for air traffic. If it's so far away that going there isn't worth the fuel, or too small to build an airport, then it's pretty much a closed ecosystem.

However, if a closed ecosystem is a goldmine and it becomes known, ways will be found to connect it.

In the crypto space, Bitcoin is mainland. Maybe EVMs can be considered almost a second mainland. Everything is an island or a cluster of islands, of different sizes. Their success long term depends on how well-connected they are.


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In yesterday's Week through Adrian's Lenses, one of the news related to the intention of INLEO team to create a swap service, probably using Thorchain at the backend.

That makes a lot of sense in my mind and others, on multiple levels. First, because it's a swap service and it can easily be controlled through the interface what coins and tokens are listed by default (without adding their custom token smart contract address), and which of them are highlighted.

None of the Hive-related token smart contracts on EVM chains are added by default to the prominent swap services, they all need to be added manually. Not to mention when you do such an operation, you are faced with a warning that the issuer is not known and you are adding it at your own risk. Or something similar, I may not remember exactly.

The second reason why this makes sense (or maybe the first by importance) is because it offers Hive a direct link to another ecosystem, Thorchain. Even more importantly, a non-EVM chain. And through it, indirect connections with others.

Now, as we know, there is a lot of tribalism in crypto, which I've said numerous times is counterproductive in a decentralized world. But it is what it is. That tribalism exists on Hive as well. I imagine, just like not everyone on Hive uses the INLEO front end (which in my opinion is a good thing for the decentralization aspect of Hive), they might not use other services from the LeoVerse, preferring others. Although, I'm pretty sure some Hivers don't use INLEO but use HiveStats, for example. In some cases it's not a matter of tribalism but simply of preference or getting used to something and being difficult to switch.

And here is where my idea comes.

We know Hive @Keychain has on the roadmap its extension toward becoming a browser wallet for other ecosystems too. Ethereum / EVM first, from what I know.

We also know that through its browser extensions and mobile apps, Hive Keychain is used by the majority of Hivers. Both browser extensions Metamask-style and mobile apps for crypto are popular, so it's potentially a great way to attract users from outside the ecosystem too.

I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to build bridges between the supported ecosystems (Hive and Ethereum / EVMs, in the first phase) that would be accessible via the Keychain browser extensions and the mobile apps. The bridges could be linked to existing ones or new ones (from VSC, for example) that are being built by other teams (just an interface to easily reach them), or built by the Keychain team itself. There is also the matter of providing liquidity to both sides of the bridge, and for this reason, it would be probably better (and easier) to simply link to existing bridges, at least in the first phase.


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Some great things to think about but I am not sure I would be interested in such a bridge when I saw what happened to the wrapped HBD. I also think that ETH is unusable with its gas fees, why do we need a bridge there? Perhaps a bridge to SOL might be useful? We already have the v4v app to bridge us to lightning and bitcoin. For everything else, you can already send tokens to the Hive engine, so it is already a bridge of sorts. If Hive can offer swaps on ThorChain for example, that might be worth pursuing.

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what happened to the wrapped HBD

I just saw its price. Any idea why? I wonder why arbitrage doesn't kick in.

I also think that ETH is unusable with its gas fees, why do we need a bridge there?

Because it's Ethereum, the mother of all EVMs and with huge liquidity there, and it has direct pairs to fiat too. I wouldn't expect much usage coming from Hive, but how about the other way around?

Perhaps a bridge to SOL might be useful?

Yep, why not? It's the second cycle and there is still hype around it.

We already have the v4v app to bridge us to lightning and bitcoin.

That works for low amounts, not higher.

For everything else, you can already send tokens to the Hive engine, so it is already a bridge of sorts.

Yep, I guess that's an option. But we haven't seen much development of HE lately and bridges often go down, many times for reasons unrelated to the HE team, but they still go down.

If Hive can offer swaps on ThorChain for example, that might be worth pursuing.

Yeah, that's what Khal said they will pursue. The eternal question is... wen?

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What an insightful piece. So for hive to succeed and thrive within the crypto space, there must be means of giving it more awareness and making it accessible to others.

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Yes, and to offer Hivers the chance to "travel" as well.

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No matter what they say and do, island is here to stay definitely

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Bridges to usable chains would be very welcome. Here in the US the only way to buy or sell Hive is really Simple Swap, we need better options. Anything using ETH is just too expensive, so it would have to be to another less expensive one. I think it's not only a good idea I think it's desperately needed.

By the way, any idea where that picture is from? Looks Italian but those Mediterranean can be deceptive. Beautiful water!
!BBH

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@gadrian! Your Content Is Awesome so I just sent 1 $BBH (Bitcoin Backed Hive) to your account on behalf of @thebighigg. (5/50)

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Yes, I agree, we really need functional bridges to other ecosystems.

An Ethereum bridge may be interesting for investors there, not for Hivers looking for a route in or out. It has the advantage it can easily be cloned to all EVM chains (including cheaper ones), provided we have liquidity to fund many of them, which I doubt.

By the way, any idea where that picture is from? Looks Italian but those Mediterranean can be deceptive.

The description says it's from Croatia. I don't recognize the place, but I've only been to Croatia once. The Adriatic and Ionian Seas have great-looking colors of the water, that's true.

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Liquidity will be be an issue, not sure how we can overcome that issue. It would be good for Hive!

Wherever that is I wouldn't mind spending a summer there!

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Wherever that is I wouldn't mind spending a summer there!

Me neither, lol!

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These are good ideas. This is the first time I've heard of the Hive keychain plan to cater to other chains; that is great news. I already like that they have the swap function. If they can hold other chain tokens, and even perform transfers and swaps between different chains, that would be huge for Hive. Hive users are very fond of their decentralization, and that would remove the need for big exchanges like Binance.

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Hive users are very fond of their decentralization, and that would remove the need for big exchanges like Binance.

To be fair, that's not decentralized. We'd replace one centralized solution (Binance) with another (keychain). The difference is Keychain is open source and also, I imagine bridge ends won't hold customer funds except during the transfer, which isn't the case with Binance, which holds its customers' funds in custody, sometimes for long periods.

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Apart from the ones you mentioned, there also isn't any KYC with keychain. I guess we have different views on centralization. The differences you mentioned above makes me think it will still be decentralized, but you consider it centralized.

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Great point about KYC! I missed that, and it's an important distinction.

It is centralized to the point things are still under the control of one team, as far as I know, but I would use them any day instead of Binance or Coinbase.

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It is centralized to the point things are still under the control of one team

If that is your definition of centralized, then I doubt we can see a fully decentralized system. Most applications are controlled by one team[the developers], and that is expected. Peakd, Ecency, Leo, SPL, etc are under the control of one team. I don't think I know of one that isn't like that.

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Applications yes. Although SPL has the DAO where decisions can be taken that overturn the wishes of the team. Protocols no, they are, or should be decentralized. For example, ChainFlip, which I talked about yesterday, seems to be a decentralized protocol (run by 150 validators), that has the role of a bridge between blockchains.

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Although SPL has the DAO where decisions can be taken that overturn the wishes of the team

This isn't actually true, and only works up to a point. The SPL DAO only has control with SPS related things, and the team can actually veto things; especially if they don't agree with it.

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the team can actually veto things

No, they can't. They can say they won't build or change something as the DAO wants to, but they won't do that often. They can't veto how SPS or other DAO funds will be used.

I don't think they want to get into adverse positions with the DAO. Quite the opposite. They want the DAO to help fund development. And the DAO will do it, as long as what it gets in return is good enough.

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They can say they won't build or change something as the DAO wants to, but they won't do that often

Isn't this a veto? I agree that they won't do that often. You have to remember that we are still reliant on the team to code and perform the changes that the DAO wants. If it goes against their vision of the game, they can veto it. If it is labor intensive, they can push it back to the end of the to-do list and get stuck in limbo, which is like it was vetoed anyways.

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Well... It's a partial veto. Because the DAO can veto how SPS is used. But I agree, they still have that power, and they still use it, despite their commitment to decentralization. At this point, the DAO can't hire anyone else to do their job, if they refuse, because the code is not public, other than the blockchain part (I think).

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If there are problems going on in life then places like this are very good to get rid of the problems.

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Hive is actually going to succeed but we need to make things less complex so it can be easy for newbies to understand

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Complexity has always been an issue in crypto/web 3. Yes, we need simpler things to attract the masses.

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Thank for you thoughts on Hive Island and Cyrpto Space @gadrian! You have a brilliant idea to connect more Crypto to Hive. This would be awesome! I reblogged this post!
Have a great Day! Barb !BBH !CTP #ctp

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I think the swap is a good thing to have. Having a bridge makes it easier for people to get in and out of the ecosystem. I think we need more of them so that people can enter the blockchain easier.

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The problem with more of them is that we need liquidity for every one of them. So, we need to be careful about how many bridges we fund and where to.

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Gradually this bridge will set a standard and the truth is I will be expecting more and more to come up in the future

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