A few thoughts...
So, recently pharesim and engrave have written controversial posts on chain about me, my actions, and my communication with them. I’m replying publicly and transparently to them here. Please find a brief timeline and thoughts regarding said timeline.
- Splinterlands proposal is close to passing.
- I get involved and start requesting people to vote for the proposal.
- The Splinterlands proposal now passes the return proposal
- pharesim votes the return proposal to block splinterlands from receiving funds
- I tell splinterlands players that pharesim has blocked the splinterlands proposal by upvoting the return proposal
- Splinterlands players unvote Pharesim’s witness and he moves to position 20
- pharesim’s witness is now low enough I can upvote witness 21 and 22 to move pharesim out of the top 20. I vote both of those witnesses to reposition pharesim.
- pharesim writes a public post
- engrave write a public post
- smooth votes the return proposal
Splinterlands proposal is close to passing.
Matt wrote a proposal and it was close to passing, but it didn’t have enough votes to pass. Matt is not terribly political. After 2 days of the 180 total days of falling short of passing the return proposal I decided that I would engage.
Aggy gets involved and starts requesting people to vote for the proposal.
I didn’t ask Matt or talk to him about it. I just started asking people to vote for the proposal. My process was to look at people voting the return and people voting other proposals that were not voting for the Splinterlands proposal and ask them to vote for the splinterlands proposal and unvote the return proposal. My goal was to get the splinterlands proposal passing. My general message was brief, to the point, and one of the following:
A. “Hey XXX, please vote for the splinterlands proposal”
B. “Hey XXX, please unvote the return proposal”
C. “Hey XXX, please vote the splinterlands proposal and unvote the return proposal”
The Splinterlands proposal now passes the return proposal
My efforts were successful and after 24 hours of asking people to vote for the proposal it finally started passing. Thanks to all the lovely people supporting splinterlands. We’ve been through a lot and I’m grateful for those that have stuck with us through the longest bear I’ve endured in crypto.
pharesim votes the return proposal to block splinterlands from receiving funds
pharesim sees that splinterlands is above the return proposal and votes to increase the return proposal and thus block splinterlands from getting these funds. pharesim has a number of ways he could have chosen to share his concerns with the proposal like messaging us privately, posting on the original proposal, or posting publicly. Those are constructive ways to engage the post. He instead chose to vote the return proposal after the splinterlands proposal was passing. That’s less constructive and seems actively hostile.
Aggy tells splinterlands players that pharesim has blocked the proposal
I noticed the new large vote on the return proposal and informed players that pharesim was upvoting the return and the timing made it seem as if he was specifically attempting to block splinterlands from getting funding from the dao. His DMs would later confirm that.
Splinterlands players unvote Pharesim’s witness and he moves to position 20
Players on their own accord without any cajoling from me went and unvoted pharesim’s witness. As a result of these unvotes pharesim’s witness was reduced to position 20.
Pharesim’s witness is now low enough I can upvote witness 21 and 22 to move pharesim out of the top 20. I vote both those witnesses to purposefully reposition pharesim.
I noticed that pharesim’s position was actually low enough and position 21 and 22 were high enough such that votes with accounts I control can change the position of pharesim from 20 to 22. I did this by voting for engrave and mahdiyari.
Pharesim writes a public post
pharesim wrote a post from his perspective about these events. I think it avoids accountability of his choices. I think the post is a prime example of reasons I don’t vote for him. As far as I can tell pharesim made a bad decision of non-constructively blocking the splinterlands proposal by upvoting the return proposal without first having a constructive discussion of his concerns regarding the proposal on chain or through private messages. His non-constructive (bordering on hostile) decisions cost him votes. That’s part of being a witness. There are better ways to handle proposal concerns and better ways he can handle interpersonal challenges than what he wrote.
Engrave also writes a post regarding the above events.
In his post he’s claiming I’m forcing him to do something. Engrave doesn’t seem to appreciate the timeline of events or understand the definition of force. I already voted his witness. That decision wasn’t predicated on his vote for the splinterlands proposal. I informed him of the vote and requested that he vote for the splinterlands proposal and unvote the return proposal. It was a stronger ask than some of the other asks I've made, but it's in the same vein as every request that I make. "Please vote for this thing I'm canvasing for." I also mix it up to "I'm requesting that you vote for X." If he didn’t want to vote for it a simple “I don’t support it” would have sufficed, but instead he went on chain and declared erroneously that I was “forcing him to vote for Splinterlands.” This is also a demonstration of poor choice of witness behavior and actions. There are lots of constructive ways to air his concerns or grievances. The post he wrote isn’t a good example of one of those ways.
Smooth votes for the return proposal
I haven't spoken to him, but presumably smooth was swayed by the post by engrave and or pharesim to vote for the return proposal and now Splinterlands is 4M votes from passing
Smooth, I'm not sure what part of this made you vote the return proposal, but here's my response and I'm requesting that you remove your vote from the return proposal and allow the splinterlands proposal to be funded. Here's hoping this letter clarifies my actions in light of how they were described.
What is this all about?
Ultimately, what I want is for this chain to grow.
At the top of that are witnesses who are pro-business, welcoming to hivians, who allow a large range of discussion, and focus on growing this overall ecosystem.
At this particular moment I would like the splinterlands proposal to pass. I think splinterlands as a business and hive as a chain are both better off if the splinterlands proposal passes and in general I'm requesting that people remove votes from the return proposal and add votes to the splinterlands proposal so the funding is available. If YOU are reading this and have votes to spare I'm publicly requesting that you support us.
peakd.com/proposals to find the ones in question.
A healthy splinterlands also leads to a healthy hive-engine, which is an anchor for many projects on here. The two projects are symbiotic and even though there's not actual financial exchange between them growing splinterlands is good for hive-engine, and hive-engine is good for all the apps in the the overall ecosystem.
Getting pulled back into this reminds me of some of the reasons I stopped witnessing, but also some of my greivances with current witnesses who I think lack the skills and intention necessary to grow the hive ecosystem for everyone, help attract and retain new users, and make this a non-toxic, professional, business-friendly chain. Here's hoping these publicly transparent exchanges can help shape and determine how people on chain welcome and support businesses that choose to build and grow on hive.
I hope this clarifies my thoughts and actions and thank you to those who support me personally, splinterlands, invennium, hive-engine, and many thanks to the many hivians who act professionally to grow the chain, retain engaged users, welcome new minnows, and make this chain a welcome place for creating a business.
Cheers,
Dr. Blair Jesse Ellyn Reich
Aka aggroed
I know that you asked several people to unvote me. Liar.
Also, why should I repeat the criticism of the proposal that many people have brought forward, and they all were ignored? If you wanted to work in a constructive way, the proposal would have been updated with a clear plan how the money will be spent instead of you using your contacts to big stakeholders to punish someone who doesn't do what you want. Then we all could've made an informed decision if we support the plan.
A plan for the funding have been published
https://peakd.com/splinterlands/@splinterlands/splinterlands-dhf-proposal-follow-up
Regarding personal interactions; I think you have room to improve yourself, just like aggy does. This morning the way you have treated me, your friend for 6 years, is probably something that needs improvement.
No matter the outcome of any proposal or witness votes, we are human. I want to be treated as one. I don't think you did that this morning.
For the record. I have no witness, I do not own any project, and I don't care what happens to my investment. None of my interactions were driven by that. And yet, since I didn't agree with you on this, you have mistreated me.
Now I get mistreated all the time, it is not an issue; but coming from a friend and for no aparent reason; it hurts more.
One hour ago. A little late, don't you agree?
You told me this would be the consequences of my actions. If you're okay with voting according to my values having negative consequences in a unrelated matter, I misjudged you all this time. Good to finally see your hypocrisy.
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Unvote comment- I should clarify that there were multiple people that acted entirely of their own accord and I made a handful of requests. The statement as it reads is true, but doesn't include the other part, which I've done here.
Repeat the criticism- a short line about you concurring with someone else would be great as it conveys the concern without much work on your part. It's a reality of stakeweighted dpos that you have asymetric considerations of accounts expressing concerns.
Big stakeholders to punish- I contend that voting your stake how you think it ought to be used is a fundamental aspect of this chain. you can vote the proposal. others can downvote posts or alter witness votes. that's been fair game as long as I've been here.
Hindsight I could have paused to ask why you were downvoting the second the proposal passed, but at the time it definitely felt like you were attacking this project. Sorry I escalated quickly.
Just because someone doesn't have a big stake, their concerns aren't less valid. Just shows how you are used to backroom deals and using your stake to blackmail and bribe.
I followed the public discussion, and wasn't satisfied by the replies. That's your fault
And that you conflate the different types of votes, and think using one to enforce another, doesn't make you look good either.
Maybe you should just be quiet and meditate a bit.
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How come Splinterlands needs more money? Did you guys do a Fundraising?
What about the other games on hive, how are they staying afloat if it takes so much money to run & build a game?
How is this not just a misuse of funds? Oo
blockchain devs are expensive.s
Growing this game and ecosystem is probably the single most valuable thing that can happen on this chain given it is accounting for most of the activity on the chain.
Transparency Report incoming from last 4 years? where's all the money gone from 2021`s hype?
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Is that a yes or a no, to misuse of funds??
2 Kickstarters even - both of which I threw money at, plus bought land, packs and licenses - so I scratch my head with the vague initial proposal.
It just seems like bad management x)
Ironically this is the most succinct confession of attempts at coercion and manipulation I've seen here yet, and it's very content is in itself even more of that. Still as gross as ever, but amusingly far less relevant than ever too, and that's pleasant to come back and observe.
Nice explanation of your attempted manipulations though. Seems like you are a little bitter it didn't go your way.
But couldn't the same be said for you? When I found out @pharesim upvoted the return proposal, I asked him what it would take to get his support. His response seemed reasonable to me.
The exchange between the two of you which he posted also could have been more constructive. It came off as a sort of strong arming the situation and I suspect that's probably the reason why the return proposal is up so much higher now.
Cooler heads prevail on all sides and I hope you, @smooth, @engrave and everybody else can get together and talk things out because I believe that the continued success of @splinterlands is good for Hive and both of those need a win.
Yeah, that's fair. I'm a little rusty at this.
That's big of you to say. I feel there's room for common ground here. For your information, here's what Pharesim said could get him lead towards his support.
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I like it when you are more fairminded, Aggy!
It blows my mind as a so called "decentralized" blockchain that 3-10 people can pass or block a proposal for the DHF. Nothing about that is decentralized at all. If it was up to me the DHF wouldn't even exist it's done nothing but become a piggy bank of money exiting hive and the projects being funded have driven nothing comparable to the expenses they have taken on and it's always the same FEW people. Again nothing decentralized about that at all. I think it's pretty clear though that Splinterlands has brought in more people to hive, more publicity and users and funds to hive then any current DHF program and also has contributed far more then the $500,000 being asked for.
This battling of a few people is what tarnishes hive and why a vast majority of people leave and don't want to invest being of this shaking non supportive structure that's in place.
Ohh ye.
Us the small users vote doesn't really make a difference xD
Ninjamine should've stayed on Steem, with Hive development funded out of witness rewards; but we got this ugly mess instead.
I think this whole return proposal threshold appraoch is a terrible idea that leaves Hive open to abuse.
Setting aside the merits of the Splinterlands proposal, there are many proposals made that are of terrrible quality and often amount to nothing more than mates helping each other out, with no thoughts at all to costs and benefits to Hive.
There also appears to be zero accountability in place at all.
None of this is good, profesional, or welcoming....
Ahh look, the 3-10 stakeholders that fund questionable things are now playing the moral high ground of “I need to know more before offering more support”. Lol
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If I'm asking for funding, I'd need to publish a proposal.
If it doesn't gain enough traction, it might not be approved. I would have no choice but to accept that. My fault. I'd need to do better.
Before going ahead with it, it's my responsibility to understand all the ins and outs of the proposal system. Everyone can participate, including those against. I need to be aware of that and accept how the system is designed. It is to be expected, at any given moment, a roadblock could appear. This does not remove my ability to receive funding, I simply need to gather more support to get over the hurdle.
At any point, people are free to remove support, add support, vote for the return proposal. The first month I might not have enough support. The second month could be a good month for me. The third month I could be right back where I started, looking for more support.
No matter how popular or unpopular an idea is, it's the same system for all.
When it comes to that SPL proposal, maybe the solution is something simpler. Read it. What if I said that to you? I realize fans of the game will support blindly. I realize the threatening tone creates panic. Straight out of the gates, everyone in support feels like they're backed into a corner. Meanwhile others are asking for more information on how the money is to be used. The answers aren't clear. The proposal itself doesn't even include directions on how to support or a link. The post itself has more votes than the proposal. Maybe there was some confusion. Things should be clear and the target audience is everyone, not just large stakeholders in a panic.
Why not attempt to solve those issues at least? Talking about business. Handle it.
After everything was said and done here, the return proposal now sits at roughly 29m HP. When the SPL proposal went live, the return proposal had roughly 29m HP backing it. So that's something for this community to think about as well.
A lot of people don't pay any attention to proposals. There's ~150 whales with a lot of HP and most of them don't vote for witnesses or pay attention to proposals. You can't automatically assume that because a proposal isn't voted that it's because support for it is low. Getting things voted on whether it be posts, proposals, or witnesses is generally about getting the word out. The proposal had a short build up, so my conclusions would be closer to not enough eyeballs than not enough support.
More eyeballs would lead to more participation. I agree there's not enough interest in general. I have no issues with people going around spreading the word and gathering support. That's to be expected. No different than a video going viral. People share it. I get it. And thousands of players give you a clear advantage in that department.
This is a great opportunity. For all of us here. Far more people know at least a little bit more about that proposal system today than they did two weeks ago.
I'm not picking a side here or anything like that. I want to make that clear. I don't think those in support are a bunch of buffoons in the same way I can respect those not in support or undecided. Not interested in seeing this place fighting over a pile of money. I don't think it's necessary so won't be participating in that. I agree, let's try to be professional.
After the proposal went live, I removed my vote for the return proposal to make it that much easier for you folks. Under pharesim's post I said I'd be returning my vote for the return proposal. Now that I see it's back to 29m HP, I've decided to once again remove my vote. I'm still on the fence and can't decide if voting for SPL proposal is a good idea or not. It's not an easy decision to make. And now all this controversy which is something I think could have been avoided.
I'm still just as confident there's enough support out there to push this proposal into approved status as I was the day it went live.
Nobody approached me behind the scenes attempting pressure me into supporting and I'm grateful for that.
Well said!
As I've said before, this is a test of whether decentralised blockchains actually have any valid use case beyond Bitcoin.
BTC doesn't need to change, adapt and compete.
But HIVE does! Can we do it?
There are all these centralised, expensive to run shitcoins out there with big VC money to attract good project like Splinterlands. They are not sustainable in the long term but in the short term they can steal Hive's best projects and cause them to move and then ultimately fail when the centralised chain fails from lack of external funding and too high running costs.
HIVE needs to use the DHF to at least keep our anchor tenant, which comprises the vast majority of transactions on the chain.
Well said aggroed.
I think that splinterlands and hive work best together and are a big part of the growth that we have seen to date. I think that you and matt have added a lot to our chain and our community as have smooth and other witnesses and devs.
If we ever want to see hive and progress then it's important that the few of us who have been here since early days try to work together, progress the chain both technologically and financially which we have not done to this point.
Too much time and energy has been wasted on fighting over peanuts instead of all working towards a common goal of growing our chain and bringing in new users and developments.
We need more businesses to increase the price of hive which will lead to more interest and developments. We have people working hard on the technology side but it all needs to grow together.
This is one of the most positive comments in this thread!
I believe all this sniping and throwing shade going on is counterproductive. I see it on the Blog side, and in Discord.
Hive has its politics as every organization does. Differences of opinion are no reason to burn it all down.
I woud expect that witnesses and large stake holders would try to work things out, find a comprimise. HIVE and SPLINTERLANDS are good for each other, that is a nobrainer.
Peace, Abundance, and Liberty let that prevail in this discussion of what is best for both the HIVE Blockchain and Splinterlands!
The problem is not that you asked people to vote. Yopu more or less forced them to do it, in order to have financial benefits, or for Pharesim penalties.
That is called bribing people, or exerting pressure on them. That is not the way in a civilised community how things are done.
And even though you are not SPLs CEO anymore, you damaged its reputation with this move.
You all ppl are backbone to splinterlands and hive. I hope it won't be a coldwar.
Good grief. Can this be one of the fork cabal laying out proper witness etiquette? Etiquette which considers it better to split a community asunder than loose minting rights?
Lol. Thanks for this piece, which is really fun to read. Please find below the tl;dr for everybody who does not want to go through all this mimimimi whining in detail:
Hey boiz, I am the guy who made more than 50 Mio bucks with selling Chaos Legion packs. And guess what, I wasted it faster and more useless than anybody else before in history. Ok, then they (allegedly) kick me of the company (why are you still here then :D), so I started some new projects where I could sell packs. Anyways, me and my friend Matt figured we could just waste some more money by taking it from the SPS DAO, making shitcoin great again. Now, that we successfully wasted all company funds plus the SPS DAO money (and it appears that no legit institutional investor would ever invest in our gamified bot-driven staking simulator), we want to have money from the Hive DAO (certainly being our last resort). And we want this DAO money to do "some kind of marketing" - cant give more details, cause be have no idea, what we do with the money (other than wasting it oc). But wait, if people to not support our super-successfull business and the super intelligent management decision we have been respeonsible for over the last three years, then this must be a personal thing - because, of course it is always the others or the circumstances who are wrong: damn the neverending bear market (ok, it is only a bear market for SL assets but nevermind), to hell with the evil US adminstration whose fault it is that SL business it not mooning, and f**k yes, all these saltlords, they destroyed your business because their believe is not strong enough to manifest our success, and now finally it is the fault of the Hive community who is voting against your absurd "give us more money to waste it in our cash grab". Honestly, you guys burned so much dumb money; who ever only gives you a single dime still, does deserve nothing more to go down together with you ;)
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