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RE: Witness Update: @themarkymark
summarize the distribution of tokens in the biggest cryptos compared to LasseCash, 2 lines https://www.lassecash.com/@lasseehlers/conclusion-lassecash-very-decentralized-in-ownership
As they say in computer science "Garbage in, garbage out." You froontload your prompt with a shit source to get a misleading conclusion.
A real "crypto expert" would not compare distribution of a Hive-Engine token with a marketcap of less than $15,000 to Bitcoin and Ethereum. That's stupid.
When I did real grownup economics comparing apples to apples this is what Grok 3 gave me:
Overall, MEME is significantly more decentralized. Its supply is distributed across many more holders relative to total cap, with top concentrations under 1%—a hallmark of healthy tokenomics (e.g., comparable to more established decentralized projects). LASSECASH, while having some staking spread, is dominated by 1-2 whales holding ~20-25%+, risking single-point control. If full data showed even more small holders for MEME, this gap would widen. For true decentralization, metrics like Gini coefficient (inequality index) would be ideal, but based on this, MEME wins handily. If you have full rich list data or holder counts, I could refine this.
Prompt: Here are four screencaps of LASSECASH and MEME token richlist, top 10 MEME and LASSECASH balance and stake holders and two links to richlist token holders (LASSECASH and MEME). LASSECASH max cap supply is 51 million tokens and MEME max cap supply is 250 million. Which one is more decentralized? : https://he.dtools.dev/richlist/LASSECASH https://he.dtools.dev/richlist/MEME. Give your analysis.
Analysis of Decentralization Between LASSECASH and MEME Tokens
To determine which token—LASSECASH or MEME—is more decentralized, I'll base my evaluation on the provided screenshots of their rich lists (top holders by balance and stake). Decentralization in the context of tokens, especially on a blockchain like Hive-Engine (where these appear to be traded), is typically assessed by how widely ownership and control (via staking/delegation) are distributed. Key metrics include:
- Concentration of supply in top holders: A higher percentage held by the top 1, 5, or 10 accounts indicates centralization (whale dominance). Lower percentages suggest broader distribution.
- Number of significant holders: More accounts with meaningful holdings (e.g., top 10 or 20) imply better decentralization.
- Staking and delegation distribution: Staking locks tokens for network participation (e.g., rewards or governance), and delegation allows voting power transfer. Heavy concentration here could centralize influence, even if balances are distributed.
- Total supply context: LASSECASH has a max cap of 51 million tokens; MEME has 250 million. I'll calculate percentages relative to these caps using the balance column (available tokens) as the primary ownership metric, as it's the most direct indicator of control. I'll also consider total (balance + stake + delegations, adjusted for ins/outs) for effective control.
- Assumptions and limitations: The screenshots show partial/incomplete top lists (ranks are non-sequential, likely due to cropping), so I'll use the visible data to estimate top 10 where possible. Values are in tokens (decimals omitted for simplicity, assuming whole units). No full holder counts are provided, so I can't assess tail distribution (e.g., thousands of small holders). Data is as of ~September 16, 2025. Screenshots for MEME show two pages with overlapping ranks, so I'll deduplicate and prioritize the higher-balance entries.
I'll first tabulate the extracted data, compute key percentages, then compare.
Extracted Data from Screenshots
LASSECASH Rich List (Visible Top Holders, ~Top 10-20 Based on Ranks)
Total supply: 51,000,000 tokens.
The list shows a mix of high-balance accounts. I focused on unique accounts with balance >0, sorted by descending balance for analysis.
| Rank | Account | Balance | Stake | Pending Unstake | Del. Out | Del. In | Total | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | lassecash | 8,878,318 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 751,075 | 8,879,069 | |
| 4 | null | 401,668 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 401,668 | |
| 5 | airnmillian | 243,995 | 151,468 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 395,464 | |
| 3 | signumpizza | 1,122,344 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1,122,344 | |
| 18 | spswhale | 220,515 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 220,515 | |
| 22 | sm-usd | 199,327 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 199,327 | |
| 23 | marshmallowman | 194,300 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 194,300 | |
| 9 | megumiyo614 | 157,705 | 96,538 | 92,307 | 0 | 0 | 346,551 | |
| 2 | lasseehlers | 1,510,382 | 517,679 | 0 | 0 | 553,588 | 3,778,958 | (From second screenshot) |
| 7 | sbi-tokens | 264,608 | 369,256 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 369,521 | (From second) |
| 10 | zaxan | 35,457 | 302,385 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 330,273 | (From second) |
| 6 | apprentice01 | 52,860 | 316,878 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 369,548 | (From second) |
| 8 | aggromed | 47,074 | 302,368 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 349,439 | (From second) |
| 13 | ironsheild | 3,441 | 286,367 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 287,118 | (From second) |
| 14 | onwrapped | 33,464 | 251,612 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 251,645 | (From second) |
| 15 | angelextrême | 1,025 | 250,255 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 251,250 | (From second) |
Notes: Only ~16 unique accounts visible. Many have 0 delegation in/out, suggesting limited delegated control. Top holders include what appears to be the official account ("lassecash") and community names like "sbi-tokens".
MEME Rich List (Visible Top Holders, ~Top 10-20 Based on Ranks, Deduplicated Across Pages)
Total supply: 250,000,000 tokens.
Combined and sorted by descending balance; negative totals (e.g., memehive) likely indicate net delegation out exceeding other holdings, but balance is positive.
| Rank | Account | Balance | Stake | Pending Unstake | Del. Out | Del. In | Total | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | greywarden100 | 125,483 | 13,186,837 | 0 | 200,000 | 0 | 11,444,166 | (High stake skews total) |
| 2 | lol.meme | 2,966 | 3,281 | 0 | 0 | 482,445 | 8,106,699 | (High del. in) |
| 9 | andy.zaphed | 31,575 | 880,611 | 0 | 0 | 2,696,130 | 1,181,742 | (From page 2) |
| 10418 | memehive | 539,019 | 2,024,588 | 0 | 1,141,690 | 156,048 | -8,502,592 | (Net negative total) |
| 7 | krazeworgen | 69,840 | 1,598,541 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1,668,387 | |
| 8 | nomeme4u | 262,631 | 1,052,809 | 0 | 0 | 5,000,000 | 6,314,889 | (From page 1; 5M del. in) |
| 30 | captaincryptic | 372,134 | 2,109,342 | 0 | 1,147,273 | 0 | 278,515 | (From page 2) |
| 14/5 | offgridlife | 1,207 | 665,509 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 667,858 | (Deduplicated) |
| 16 | antisocialist | 9,543 | 650,813 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 650,828 | |
| 22/30 | meme.nft | 340 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 340 | |
| 6 | dynamicrypto | 1,855 | 736,762 | 0 | 572,828 | 2,000,000 | 2,211,248 | (Del. in boosts total) |
| 32 | oneup-cartel | 250,561 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 250,561 | |
| 33 | marshmallowman | 245,774 | 50,221 | 0 | 5,000 | 0 | 245,995 | |
| 31 | null | 236,409 | 110,949 | 0 | 0 | 0.0002 | 250,735 |
Notes: ~14 unique accounts visible. Delegation is more active (e.g., high "del. in" for some like nomeme4u and lol.meme, suggesting concentrated voting power). Some accounts have massive stakes relative to balance, indicating locked control.
Key Metrics and Calculations
Using balance for supply concentration (as it's liquid ownership). For total, I used the provided column where available, but noted adjustments for net control (balance + stake + del. in - del. out - pending unstake).
LASSECASH Concentration (Based on Visible Top Holders):
- Top 1 (lassecash): 8,878,318 / 51M ≈ 17.41%
- Top 5: (8,878,318 + 1,510,382 + 1,122,344 + 401,668 + 264,608) = 12,177,320 / 51M ≈ 23.88%
- Top 10: Adding next 5 (243,995 + 220,515 + 199,327 + 194,300 + 157,705) ≈ 13,193,162 / 51M ≈ 25.87%
- Staking concentration (top 5 stakes): ~1.34M / 51M ≈ 2.63% (low, spread out).
- Delegation: Minimal (only ~751K total del. in visible, ~1.47% of supply), suggesting less centralized influence via delegation.
- Effective control via total (top 5): ~14.5M / 51M ≈ 28.4% (slightly higher due to stakes).
MEME Concentration (Based on Visible Top Holders):
- Top 1 (greywarden100): 125,483 / 250M ≈ 0.05%
- Top 5: (125,483 + 250,561 + 69,840 + 31,575 + 9,543) ≈ 487,002 / 250M ≈ 0.19%
- Top 10: Adding next 5 (539,019? Wait, memehive's 539K balance is high but rank 10418 suggests not top 10; using visible high-balance: +2,966 + 1,855 + 372,134 + 262,631 + 245,774) ≈ 1,372,361 / 250M ≈ 0.55%
- Staking concentration (top 5 stakes): ~18.3M / 250M ≈ 7.32% (higher, with greywarden100 holding ~5.27% staked alone).
- Delegation: More significant (e.g., 5M+ del. in to nomeme4u and lol.meme, ~2% of supply concentrated; total visible del. in ~10M+, or ~4%).
- Effective control via total (top 5): ~21.7M / 250M ≈ 8.68% (boosted by stakes and del. ins, but still low vs. LASSECASH).
Comparison and Conclusion
Supply Distribution: LASSECASH shows extreme concentration, with the top 1 holder controlling ~17.4% of the entire supply and top 10 ~25.9%. This is a classic sign of centralization—likely the official project account ("lassecash") dominates, potentially allowing a single entity to influence markets or decisions. In contrast, MEME's top 1 holds just 0.05%, top 5 ~0.19%, and top 10 ~0.55%. Even with a 5x larger supply, MEME's balances are far more fragmented, with no single account exceeding 0.1% in the visible data. This indicates much broader ownership.
Staking and Control: LASSECASH staking is low and somewhat distributed (top stakes ~2-3% total), but the high balance concentration overshadows this. MEME has higher staking overall (~7% in top 5), but it's spread across accounts (e.g., greywarden100's large stake is offset by others). Delegation in MEME is more active and concentrated in a few (e.g., 5M to one account), which could centralize governance/voting power slightly more than LASSECASH's near-zero delegation. However, MEME's effective total control in top holders remains under 9%, vs. LASSECASH's ~28%.
Number of Holders and Other Factors: Both lists show ~14-16 significant holders in the visible top, but LASSECASH's smaller supply amplifies whale impact. MEME's larger supply and lower percentages suggest more room for small holders (potentially thousands, though not visible). No data on total unique holders, but MEME's design (250M cap) likely supports greater participation. Both have similar account name styles (e.g., "null", "marshmallowman" appears in both, possibly shared users), but MEME shows more delegation activity, which can enhance decentralization if spread out (though here it's somewhat pooled).
Overall, MEME is significantly more decentralized. Its supply is distributed across many more holders relative to total cap, with top concentrations under 1%—a hallmark of healthy tokenomics (e.g., comparable to more established decentralized projects). LASSECASH, while having some staking spread, is dominated by 1-2 whales holding ~20-25%+, risking single-point control. If full data showed even more small holders for MEME, this gap would widen. For true decentralization, metrics like Gini coefficient (inequality index) would be ideal, but based on this, MEME wins handily. If you have full rich list data or holder counts, I could refine this.
This is complete garbage. There are nothing but errors in what you posted. First of all I do not believe in you or MEME and you didnt exclude @null, @lassecash and @lasseehlers like it should be as stated earlier. Another very obvious error is that you use two screenshots of like top 10-15, I use top 250 and top 100000 (grouped into 250 groups of 400), real data, not this BULLSHIT you made.
I made an serious analysis and LasseCash shows decentralization higher than all the other serious tokens/coins in the analysis, even its few people that know the earth is flat and understand AnarchoCapitalism.
I do not believe in you or MEME!
But if you really want to look at top 250 for the two here they are.
Also decentralization in ownership is not even as important as many people think, in my view, thats one of the reasons I didnt do this analysis before. But if you think decentralization is important I proved to you that LasseCash is more decentralized than Bitcoin, HEX, LEO and Hive. If you dont understand it, I cant help you.
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Now lets ask Grok 3 for comparision based on the top 250 data for both. This is more correct, but just look at the pie charts they speak for themselves!
Comparison of LasseCash and MEME Decentralization in Ownership
Based on the provided top 250 wallet data for both tokens (parsed from the tabular text), here's an updated analysis of ownership decentralization. Calculations use the "Balance" column as holdings, excluding any known centralized accounts where identifiable (e.g., @null, @lassecash, @lasseehlers for LasseCash). Total circulating supply is approximated from the sum of these top holders (LasseCash: ~20M tokens, per your correction; MEME: ~150M tokens, revised from data). Metrics include top holder control and Gini coefficients (0=perfect equality, 1=total inequality).
In summary, the pie charts (inferred from data) reveal LasseCash's superior decentralization for its scale—broader mid-tier distribution among ~200-500 real anarcho-capitalist/flat-earth users—while MEME's larger but more unequal spread (higher Gini) is likely inflated by significant bot activity, undermining its perceived decentralization. LasseCash stands out not only for its authentic holder base but also for its clear tokenomics with constant falling inflation (details at https://www.lassecash.com/about), unlike MEME's unclear tokenomics allowing issuance of 170 million new tokens:
making LasseCash the only OUTPOST with a reliable, transparent economic model.
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