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RE: A series of posts regarding Hive, Splinterlands, me, and you!
Hopefully the tone at the end there doesn't scare people away from participating. Even now as I say this, part of me feels like I'm walking on eggshells.
Did I say this correctly? Will I be misconstrued? Will a miscommunication lead to shunning? Am I viewed as one of these "active blockers" for voting for the return proposal even though my vote was there before this all began, meaning I could have been away like so many others during summer, only to come back and discover the entire SPL crew hates me for some strange reason...
That proposal system worked the same way it did before the SPL proposal went live. Right now I see the return proposal, or the bar, moving up, inching closer to Ecency. Does this mean people are trying to block them? I wouldn't make that conclusion. Maybe it has more to do with the endless complaints about Valueplan. Maybe those people disagree with that spending so much they actually took action rather than just complaining. Hard to say what's going on, and why. Maybe they're in support of raising the bar, for everyone, since so many complain about spending in general.
Easy to see it boils down to people making choices independently. To be expected. The D in DHF does stand for Decentralized. Does each move need to come with an explanation? I don't think so. Maybe others do, and that's fine.
Products like Peakd and Ecency would receive support naturally from the community simply because so many use those products combined with owning HP. When SPL proposal went live, I was under the impression SPL was in the same boat. And I still think there's a lot of support available out there, somewhere, for SPL. Looking forward to seeing it.
I use Peakd so I've supported Peakd now and in the past. I don't use Ecency so I have not supported Ecency now or in the past. Does not mean I'm against the existence of Ecency. I'm happy people have options and freedom to choose.
I have not put my vote behind the SPL proposal but this does not mean I don't want it here. Just because Burger King exists, that doesn't mean I have to support them, even though they bring value to the community, somehow. I don't play SPL. And I think those who enjoy it are free to be in support of it. They're responsible for its success in the same way Burger King customers contribute.
I don't know enough about SPL in general. All the people saying it brings value and people and good times forever is just hearsay to me. I can't base my decision off that.
Do Burger King people try to make the lives of those not in support of their business, difficult? Of course not.
Nonames, this is definitely one of the best responses I’ve read on this matter. I appreciate your thoughts on it.
I’m a SPL player since 2019, and recently working hard to learn more about Hive and become more active in the greater community (I just voted for my first DHF) . I hope to meet and engage with more people like you.
In terms of your Burger King comment, I think you could also look at it in this way, sometimes people vote to increase funding for their local schools, even though they don’t have children, because they feel it’s what is best for their community.
I realize I am biased, but I genuinely do feel that what is good for Splinterlands is also good for Hive. The issue is that Hive works so well for a game like Splinterlands that we have rarely had to come out of our bubble to engage in the Hive ecosystem - this needs work (and Matt has already taken steps for this with Hive promotion inside the game). We should all be one big family working together to pull each other up.
I’m here to learn and listen and do my best to bring our two communities closer together.
I see your point and respect it.
To counter that I would mention public services like schools aren't expected to make a profit. The artwork the students put all over the walls isn't worth anything aside from grades. The "profit" there is contributing to their future. Them needing help would be a common occurrence so people often accept fundraisers as being necessary.
Meanwhile SPL "students" have money for cards, the various tokens; it all holds value and stays in their wallets. They get paid to "learn."
So this would be like the profitable/wealthy private school in the rich neighborhood canvasing all neighborhoods including the poor neighborhoods, pulling up in a Ferrari, and asking for donations.
Now I want to demonstrate something. I'm going to upvote your comment as much as I can. 100%. I'm not in support of the SPL proposal. You are. In seven days you will receive some HP. The same HP you're using to support the proposal. Notice how I'm now supporting the SPL proposal indirectly?
If you were to turn around and sell that, you're making the choice to weaken your ability to support the things you enjoy.
I don't expect the majority of gamers to become content creators. That vote I gave you, in seven days, gives me HP as well. Just for pushing the button.
So over the span of several years, if thousands of players with 100 HP each were actively voting for content and engaging with their common interests, the value behind that mass of gamers with common interests would be on the rise constantly, growing at the same rate as everyone else. A large group of gamers working together to support their DHF proposal gives them a clear advantage. Could be sitting here upvoting your conversations with one another rather than sitting on Discord for example and that simple act would be contributing to your success.
SPL is just as much "The Hive Community" as anyone else here. Hive is more like the Earth and much like the planet, there are several communities. Might be a Bostonian or a New Yorker, but you're still an Earthling. Boston community members take care of themselves. New York takes care of itself.
Imagine if this entire operation grew into millions of people. Never in a million years would "The Hive Community" be on the same page, agreeing on all things. Yet all the available tools and opportunities would still be available to everyone in the same way they are today.
I'm happy to hear SPL is taking steps to remove the wall surrounding their community and now wants to open the gates and build roads.
Currently, no individual here can say they speak for "The Hive Community."
However, several can speak for SPL.
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This is how I vote on proposals too, and actually in these two specific examples, the same exact way for the same exact reasons.
But when people have the luxury and entitlement to vote, they should do so fully informed and fully aware of the things they vote on, not just future looking hype, but also past performance. Of the projects themselves and how they actually did or did not help the chain community, the crypto value and/or the chain technology. (grow a healthy engaged and retained userbase, grow money value, improve infrastructure.) One may or may not also choose to consider the past performance of project sponsors as trustworthy, reliable and competent and capable. Those are the levers that move underneath "future hype" coming to fruition anyway.
I need real hard, rigid arguments for these things to win my vote, and a couple of the most controversial proposals right now, basically SPL and ValuePlan really deserve a lot of scrutiny for the size of the asks vs these criteria. (grow a healthy engaged and retained userbase, grow money value, improve infrastructure.)
Would it be rational to support something that did well in the past, just because they did well in the past?
Saddles. They did well in the past. Want to go all in on saddles with me?
I think if someone was directly asking for funds to cover the costs of productive actions in the past, I'd feel comfortable supporting that, if those actions were contributing to the future, in a way that can be observed.
I don't see thousands of people supporting that proposal. Yet one of the claims to fame was attracting thousands of people.
I don't care how much HP anyone has. They already have an account here and all they need to do is push a button to support a proposal.
Hype is useless. Why am I not seeing these people supporting the proposal!
Am I to just believe they exist? Or does this lead me to believe they don't?
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