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RE: Although subjectively downvoting posts to zero is anathema to me, the Layer 1 ability to do so must remain (for now at least)
I was watching for your post about the current DV situationā¦ Iām of the opinion that this needs to be fixed at layer 1 however.
We need to pay the price because currently capital freedom (This is what investors and especially entrepreneurs like me are looking at when we examine the fundamentals of a project like Hive.) isnāt available on layer 1 and that is eroding our marketability in huge ways.
Right now (with the current undeveloped DV structure) we are trading 1 abuse for another. This is sub-optimal and a hard sell at best.
What am I eluding to? Currentlyā¦ it is possible for 1 account to own another account financially with the DV.
This perpetuates group think throughout the network and only serves the larger untouchables on this platform. (Take a look at whatās transpired on my most recent @AdventureReady post to see the tip of the iceberg about that. I have reblogged the post Iām mentioning with this account.)
Basically a whale is directing smaller accounts in the background to do his dirty work for himā¦ and this is VERY bad for business (and ultimately Hive as a utility structure.)
If you would like to see what I meanā¦ take note as the above mentioned event is connected with what follows:
A couple weeks ago I ātried outā the DV (as it is a āmain featureā) awhile back by DVāing on 2 comments (with no rewards above $0.10).
These were low end comments at best and rather than have them featured at the top of the postās content I thought it would be best to move them in rank down to the bottom of the comments section. (One comment was someone bullying another user and the other was someone celebrating āhow they were one of the mean people on the blockchain) š¤·āāļø
Anywaysā¦ what ensued was very interestingā¦
Apparently the only people allowed to do any DVāing here on Hive are the people already doing it. Just watchā¦ this comment I have made on your post is going to yield somewhere in the neighbourhood of 20 DVās.
Iām not kidding hereā¦ it has rendered my notification system all but useless in fact. This sort of behaviour is what Iām calling āDV Spamā and I believe it is a huge deterrent to Hiveās utility sell.
I realize that we need ways to control for plagiarism and spam on the blockchainā¦ but this responsibility shouldnāt be done at the individual level but rather collectively at the community level making use of DPOS and a dashboard feature for posts that are transitioning through a predefined flagging process.
This is what I mean by undeveloped DV... in its current state it is very raw, unfriendly, and far to subjective allowing in effect 1 account to āownā another (at worst) or the perpetuation of āgroup thinkā (at best).
I believe we can never innovate the next step (layer 2) effectively if we donāt first address the disfunction already taking place on layer 1.
Derivatives of derivatives scale either functional utility or disfunction abuse. Our foundations are what grant everything built on them their stability/value and so I am serious when I sayā¦ We need to continue to innovate new and better ways to human and we need to do it at layer 1.
If we can not do thisā¦ building out a layer 2 solution will be absolute misery.
Launching viable ideas as an entrepreneur is already a difficult endeavour wrought with high amounts of risk and all the stress that goes along with that.
We need friendly social environments to innovate in and invite people to.
Environments where raw exposure to DVāing (with out a due process) are good for bots but bad for humans.
Thatās why (for now) I have decided to discontinue 3 years of effort building out my 2 fitness businessās on the blockchain and powered down all my Hive except for that associated with @Comet.Ranker.
Letās face itā¦
Itās hard to do anything positive in a DV charged social environment.
Looking forward to your response.
@wil.metcalfe
P.S. @ura-soul thank you for writing the last 3 posts about this issue. I have read every word and every comment marking them with upvotes along the way so that I can keep track of the ones I have read and the ones I havenāt yet read. I will be revisiting your postās often as I believe this is integral to Hiveās success or demise.
Yes, but what did you do to get downvoted? I am on a DV trail that focuses bad behaviour etc. I'm not familiar with what has occured with yourself but happy to hear it.
Ah ha! One of the people I wanted to speak with about this! š
Before I get into itā¦ you may want to consider removing yourself from the trail you are associated withā¦ itās a bad look especially with the level of conflict, debate, and turmoil currently at play around the issue of DVāingā¦But this is just a suggestion. I respect ownership and freedom most of all and so I am not going to tell you what you should or shouldnāt do with your stake. (Unlike some around hereā¦) š¤·āāļø
First things firstā¦ your jumping immediately to the conclusion that I have done something āwrongā.
So this is weāre we need to start.
There are people here on the blockchain that think that they can determine what people should or shouldnāt do with their stake (as mentioned above) and then there are those who have put it upon themselves to label other Hive owners and subsequently downvote them indiscriminately without proper basis or process. (In my context I believe this to be DV Spam and also Abuse.)
Hereās an example of this when I announced that I was shutting down my fitness business (incorporated and trademarked I will add) after 3 years of attempting to make them succeed on the blockchain:
https://ecency.com/automaticwin/@adventureready/adventure-ready-milestone-marker-oct
As you can see I stood up for myself against a whale asserting my rights as a Hive owner. (This is also when the DV situation I described above transpired and is now on going.)
To be plain before the above mentioned situationsā¦ originally I was accused of ācomment farmingā.
I have openly contested this and even written a White Paper on the importance of engagement and rewarding engagement with a ācomment rankingā method.
Hereās the official #CometWeek White Paper:
https://ecency.com/hive/@wil.metcalfe/launching-cometweek-1000-hive-reward
As wellā¦ it should be noted that I have personally given away thousands of Hive before I was labeled in this way and have also given away thousands of Hive afterward. I, first and foremost, value social capital and believe that engagement is the best way to compound trust on the blockchain. This is why I have been giving away so much Hive for close to 4 years now.
You can verify my transactions in all of my accounts:
Fitness Businessās: @AdventureReady
@BeachReady
Hive Engagement Service:
@Comet.Ranker
And my personal training account (Iām a certified personal trainer with over 10 years of experience in the fitness industry as a trainer and business owner.)
@wil.metcalfe
Check and you will see. Thousands of Hive.
I find it insulting that petty and small minded people would accuse me of such nonsenseā¦ and Iām not even going to get into just how subjective the labels are that have been imposed and thrown around. Itās to the point where I have to call it what it isā¦ labels and lies.
Thereās a lot of breadcrumbs to followā¦ and Iām not in the habit of answering to anyone about what I choose to do with my stakeā¦
Stake I accumulated by selling my physical business, my stock accumulations, and also my savings, and the posts and content I have generated over the years to add value to the Hive community and blockchain.
I even have held top 5 position for the promotion of Hive on Twitter (which takes 5hrs plus per. day) for months and as everyone knowsā¦ this is all work done for free.
I know for a fact that I donāt deserve this sort of shitty treatmentā¦. And I wonder to myself how many people have already concluded this.
And I also wonder how many new people (be they power players or regular beginners) would put up with this level of disfunction and abuse?
Needless to sayā¦
Until the DV is further developed with the entire Hive community in mind I wonāt be telling my friends, family, and famous about Hive.
And just for 1 exampleā¦ one of my Twitter friends is Mark Moss. (Him and I speak occasionally.)
What Iām saying here isā¦
We gotta see the current DV for what it isā¦ a perpetuation of abuse and a system that trades 1 abuse for another.
This is effecting our standing within the wider crypto community and it is wiping out our marketability and market prospects across the board.
Savvy investors know it and are watchingā¦ this is an embarrassment and most people wonāt stake their reputation let alone their capital while these practices continue.
I hope that you can seeā¦
I care a lot about the Hive community and the technology it is based UPonā¦
I see Hive as a once in a lifetime opportunity to innovate new and better ways to human.
Thatās what excited me nearly 4 years agoā¦ and itās why I never powered down (only invested) year after year after yearā¦
The current DV structure has me having second thoughtsā¦
Iām saddened by thisā¦
Very much.
If you doubt my sincerityā¦
Please check each of my comments that I have made. You will note that I put a lot of care into each comment.
Also note the attention to detail and what I have put into my posts over the yearsā¦
I have respected the blockchain foundations my content is hosted onā¦ I even ditched Facebook and only used Twitter to promote Hive. (And thatās saying something because I have the @beachready Twitter handleā¦ itās a coveted user nameā¦)
Have I convinced you yet?
I hope soā¦
Please stop what you are doing and give the current DV structure more thoughtā¦ especially when it is used in a trail like this.
Itās doing more harm than good.
@wil.metcalfe
Has a history of trying to defend anyone and everyone as long as it allows him to go on endless rants, many of whom have been clear abusers but as long as it gets him some attention he seems to love it. Caught voting up comments of alts and other nice stuff.
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Ya I'm not a fan of blind downvotes trails as it seems you're on. If you do decide to post more I'll be sure to counter some of it if it continues.
Really?
How about I am not a fan of someone who blindly jump into drama without getting to know the background information?
Here's a short version for ya.
I don't like people self voting comments on the grounds that they are "providing value".
I don't like someone who behaves like I need to run by them for every downvote I cast. He couldn't be bothered to get into our channels or ask why things happen. The first response is always, "whoever downvoting is bad".
I don't appreciate people equating everyone downvoting operating the same way Hivewatchers operate.
You aren't exactly the best judge of character on this chain. I would kindly ask you to not be involved in things that don't concern you.
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No Dan. I assure you that they are not blind DV. They are highly targeted and directed specifically at Will. There are valid reasons. I can explain more in private, but honestly I don't think it is worth our time.
Trust me Dan. I am doing is for a long time. Also I am a reasonable person with a stable stake.
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