CEXes Are Still More Revelant Than We Care to Admit

How much has Hive tried to create more buzz around the ecosystem through various methods without much success?

The continuous developments at the core level and the ecosystem have largely been unnoticed for a long time. Participating to conferences while was important for creating some connections, it didn't really produce anything measurable. Sponsorships have sometimes been controversial, and while some at least left something behind others haven't really. Marketing hasn't often been as successful as we would have expected.

But some things have an impact. Distriator shows it is possible to make people aware of Hive, spend and earn our coin HBD and grow the network of businesses participating in the program, especially in areas hit by economic hardship. And that in a decentralized manner, mostly.

The partnership between Dash & Inleo and their joint marketing efforts also showed some interesting results.

Not long after that, we have this wave of CEX listings either for HIVE on spot (Hotcoin), or on a number of CEXes starting with Binance as a perpetual futures contract HIVE-USDT.

Screenshot from CMC.

If the timeline of events is clear in my mind, we first had the Upbit pump (which made HIVE reach the spotlight of top gainers and on very good volume - by the way, second time in a row we hit the spotlight on an Upbit pump), and then we had the announcement from Binance about the perpetual futures contract.

The announcements of the introduction of perpetual futures contracts by various CEXes (I suspect all or most of them are based on Binance liquidity, so they follow closely the moves Binance makes) probably interfered with the typical downward price action post pump. Note that these actions are not the same in the bull market and in the bear market, with the bear market ones being way easier to predict on the way down.

The CEXes are incentivized to list HIVE either on spot or on perpetual futures, since on the high volumes we have during such events and the huge volatility, they gain. On spot however, they need liquidity, and that only happens if there are additional incentives for people to trade there. Like... no KYC. That probably is why the new HIVE listing on Hotcoin has a decent volume. Curiously, this exchange doesn't load for me at this time.

So... we could have seen the tendency to defend higher price levels for HIVE after these events like 35 cents or even higher, which would have meant gains of 40-50% in a very short while as we get ready to enter the final year of the bull market, and that on a counter-trend, since the market was mostly red and continues to be. Since the pump, the price of HIVE is totally unlinked from what's been going on in the crypto market.

Nothing else we did before moved the needle so much and so quickly as it did being in the spotlight for top gainers on a good volume and then the announcements of listings. Even though many other things would have deserved to get more attention from the market.

With that in mind, there is the potential listing on Coinbase which may or may not happen for HIVE. For now, we only dealt with one of the prerequisites, so there was not even a talk about listing. But looking at what happened these days, seems like such a listing would make a huge splash after all, as much as I personally prefer to avoid CEXes when I can.

Someone said in a comment on one of my previous post that we should make Hive the best meme from SocialFi. While I dislike the association with meme coins, I agree that these kind of pumps will attract the kind of of people (and capital) that is involved in that space. But most of them would definitely come for the price action, very few for the utility.

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there is the potential listing on Coinbase which may or may not happen for HIVE. For now, we only dealt with one of the prerequisites

What are the prerequisites and which one has HIVE met so far?

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Howo has built the Rosetta API integration which is required for a listing on Coinbase (99% finished, he said it would be ready by the end of this month). While blockchains derived from bitcoin and Ethereum had this API by default (from my understanding), Hive never needed it (and we still don't), we just built it because Coinbase requires it from coins that are listed on their exchange.

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Even though we might not need the Rosetta API, I agree that getting HIVE listed on Coinbase is huge even if it's just for visibility. People still want ease over true power (decentralization, low fee, censorship-resistance, speed). People want things stupid simple.

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I think a lot of people have been suggesting stuffs that we might not originally want to do, just because we want the "eyes" of the market. From things like Ads and now meme for socialFI. I think over the years we might just tilt to the unconventional stuffs to finally get us where we deserve to be.

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Yeah, ads, at least non-native ones, don't seem to work in my opinion.

now meme for socialFI

Well, you can't blame people for wanting some of that attention and especially capital directed to Hive. But I don't think it would do much good to Hive since this is a short term attention and capital.

I think over the years we might just tilt to the unconventional stuffs to finally get us where we deserve to be.

You know... This sort of attention from price pumps might help because I heard enough times people saying they didn't know Hive was alive anymore. Even if we know, they don't. And apparently we don't get through to them the "normal" way. And price spikes is the easiest way to attract their attention in a market that seeks mostly that.

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I am not a fan of the exchanges with KYC, but I do think that CEX's a necessary evil. We need on and off-ramps into fiat as that is what most people use. I am not a fan of making Hive a meme coin because I prefer it having utility.

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I am not their fan either, but it looks like they can be useful to bring some attention to Hive. What kind of attention, that's debatable. I'd say it's mostly for speculation purposes than for utility, that's why probably I received that comment about turning Hive into a meme coin. I don't believe we will lose utility on Hive, there is a core group of us who is looking exactly that, and we are here to stay, unlike outside short term speculators.

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I'm not a fan of centralized exchanges, but they can make moving money in and out much easier. It would be huge to be on Coinbase, but I kind of doubt that's anywhere on the horizon. I do agree that people will come for the price action more than utility if we're on CEXes.

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I'm not a fan of centralized exchanges

Yeah, I hear you. Neither am I.

It would be huge to be on Coinbase, but I kind of doubt that's anywhere on the horizon.

You never know... If there is such high volume on HIVE from time to time and we will have the technical side sorted out, maybe Coinbase will want their share of fees too. It's not like CEXes are the center of the world anymore, no matter how big they are.

I do agree that people will come for the price action more than utility if we're on CEXes.

Those who notice HIVE on top gainers coins most likely are there to speculate or trade. Those who use CEXes as ramp on and offs might be looking for something else too.

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I had no clue about new exchange listing. Perpetual futures totally makes sense for coin that did 500M spot vol. Lots of small exchange listings can be almost as good as Coinbase. We can get Bitget, KuCoin, Gemini. Kraken etc. May not pump as a Coinbase listing. But bigger availability is a good thing.

More big names will help Coinbase get warmed up. Any way to get more exposure is good for alt season!

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The problem with having more smaller spot listings is to have liquidity and volume over there. We've seen from other small listings that is often not the case. The exchange itself needs to work on it to attract liquidity, by offering options people would be interested in, compared to something like... Binance, or Coinbase.

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Most of these exchanges on the screenshot have less HIVE deposited and less volume than hive-engine. Centralized exchanges are still popular here on HIVE cause hive users are few years behind whole business and really like or even prefer centralization.

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In reality when you look through arguments under this post you will notice miss conception about need for cex. Cex indeed is kinda necessary as fiat ramp but relation between HIVE/any crypto itself and CEXES is marginal, you should look towards general liquidity, and no kyc access, cause eventually you can use any exchange to trade your eth or btc to fiat, if before you can trade your worst shitcoin to eth or btc.

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Personally, I agree with your points of view. I have avoided CEXes for years even if in some cases was to my detriment because I needed to take long and more costly (both in time and fees) routes. Even these days I prefer to trade on the internal market even if the liquidity may be insufficient (or conversions if I have to), rather than go to Binance (and go through KYC again).

But there are still enough people using them for one reason or another. And as much as I like to see our decentralized routes being developed and grown, probably a listing on Coinbase would be beneficial.

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Thanks for the visibility boost (and upvote)!

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