While I agree they are unfair, rude and unprofessional and an embarrassment to the community I will say, this is not the way to fight being downvoted. It always ends in rage quitting other people getting sucked into the argument and worse.
You would likely to do better by sucking it up, and just keep on posting.
As long as the large whale accounts (only takes 2) support them, there is just really not much you can do and that is simply dpos in action.
Good Luck and sorry to see another fun account on it's way out.
You are right but for how long you could continue to struggle!
I mean why wouldn't people want to start their own online blogs rather than see these thugs targeting them.
I was downvoted for months and just kept on posting and ignoring and eventually it dies away.
I've never seen the drama approach do much but escalate the problem. Not telling you how to act, but I am saying sometimes one just has to except the pros with the cons.
Or like me, rather than whining, one can just get less and less interested in Hive and participating. I love the community, but with all the wild rules, selectively enforced, our numbers stay low and eventually you realize everyone is writing plastic little essays trying not to offend or challenge any of the gate keepers. Perhaps that is one reason Hive never really takes off.
But there are likely other contributing factors as well.
In all honesty, I have never heard about them until a week or so ago. When I also was flagged and downvoted. But for what I saw. I really did not understand their principles and how do they go about their "watching" 🤔 good there are more people talking about it
We have now a discord group to talk about this and how can we counter their vicious attacks on poor users being sort of enslaved and begging them to stop.
We might also go after these thugs who are part of the Hivewatcher team in order to neutralize them.
I think that is awesome. But in all honesty, unfortunately they have the HP to do whatever they want and silence whoever come for them even before anyone can make any difference. And since no other projects or people with actual HP strong power is behing affected. I feel that it is a lost battle even before get started. :( another big problem is that I have been here for enough time (the very beginning) to know that there are a lot of people in the community, specially hive users with higher HP thaylt probably agree with their point of view :(
What are your views about burn tokens to get votes? Is it vote selling or an evolved version of bidbots back in action.
This question is related to "HP is the key they hold", burn tokens to get votes is a way to gather hp. "draining the DHF", it's not just about DHF but how hive is evolving with time.
burn doesn't mean they get a vote. If we accept it & if no HW blacklisted member (we check with HW Blacklist too), we place a vote & curator will follow that lead. If that happen, tokens burn, otherwise it will refund.
I think most of curation projects are following the same lead. We added a token to that simple mechanism. That's all.
Well, I was blacklisted a month and a half or two months after I opened my hive account. It was for 4 lines of crap I put in to add historical context to my travels. I'm a writer, and sometimes I take notes in my notebook or my cell phone of some places I visit so I can later review them and write about it or I can write my own stories. As I was writing about something I visited some time ago I didn't remember what was mine and what the tour guide had said. It turned out that those 4 lines I wrote just as the tour guide said, were written the same as on another website I don't know about.
Personally, I think that if I wanted to have plagiarized something I would have made the whole post plagiarized, not 4 lines over 3000 words in a post, where the photos were mine and the rest of the text as well.
However it doesn't matter if you are new or clumsy on the platform, because they gave me the punishment of writing 60 posts for my appeal, which I am still fulfilling.
The problem is not the spaminator bot, which only removes an annoying, but small percentage of quantity. The problem is people like meritocrazy, samuraiscam, and others who follow the voting trail of this bot and downvote you by removing large percentages of your post without even checking why you are blacklisted and without checking that since that post for which you were blacklisted, you have not made the same mistake again.
I think that since neoxian made the post there was a before and after, at least with users who wrote some post with artificial intelligence. Now they get a warning first before being blacklisted. I didn't get any warning and it didn't matter that I was a new user. I would like that, in their work, they include that first warning for all people, even more if they are new users, because otherwise they take away the desire to continue posting.
And people who follow spaminator's downvote trail, if you downvote me, let it be for some objective reason that you didn't like something (because everyone is free to vote or downvote what they want) but not simply because someone is blacklisted. It's very annoying that they don't check beyond the why and shit on your work and the time you spent in making a 100% genuine post.
I don't see it as fair, in my opinion. But I live in Spain and I have my job with which I pay my house and my bills, and in hive I found a place to write and have some extra. But there are people from other countries that maybe have nothing and they are screwing them by taking like 5 or 10 hives in every post. I think it's not the way, that's my humble opinion.
Your explanation already represents other victims on this platform, including me. We have been victims of people who gain power, but do not use that power intelligently and carefully.
Just like you, I also work as a writer (and journalist) in Indonesia. We understand copyright, plagiarism, and so on. But on this platform, one or two people using bots, have taken a heavy toll on issues they don't understand. Thank you very much @ayneblood.
Of course, the background of his action is very good, because it is not fair that someone earns money by plagiarizing others, but I think that it is possible to differentiate a lot who did it intentionally and who did not. That is why I think that it is fair, just as now they are first notifying those who use AI to write, they warn them before putting them on the list, the fair thing would be to do the same for everyone else, I think. There will be someone who may fall into the same mistake again, but others like me, no.
What exactly is meant by exclusive writing? I don't understand why I get a warning for never posting someone else's article. As a writer and journalist since 1994, I know about copyright, plagiarism and respect for the hard work of others.
And I never do plagiarism. My posts on the Hive platform, I always prioritize. My content is mostly about news. After I posted on Hive, then I posted it where I work, at Kabartamiang.com and news.unimal.ac.id. The last media that I mentioned is internal campus media which has no economic interest.
So posting on Hive remains a priority. Is it wrong and not justified after posting on Hive, then posting in Indonesian on other platforms? Is that an error here?
They probably don't qualify for that. They look to have less knowledge about it. These thugs only know about downvoting. The self policing they have. And I still am not able to understand how @hive.fund are funding these thugs.
I and some of the victims of thugs have already been present on this platform. We are people of integrity and understand copyright regulation. Executing creator content without warning and explanation is unjust. I also don't understand why executors like this get one-click power under God.
Thank you for taging me , i just give up hive also others account that you mentioned like @galaktica and @arcana007 and @vision12 all they give up hive i even got blacklist .so i said bye to hive at once
Good luck for you guys
There is no one on the Hive blog that speaks the truth. Hivewatchers do not have to invest 500 dollars. Downvoting the downloads with the renters. And silencing the one who says. That's unfair to me. The third person is how they are ruling and deceiving us. The third person is how they are ruling and deceiving us. I have come this far after working day and night and spending money but the way they have treated me is pathetic. I have been struggling to post one a day for a year now. Finally Al is blacklisting complaints about usage. I complained to @hive.fund. Thanks @decoding
If we could have users like yourself with some influence in the platform speaking against the enslavement of poor users by Hivewatcher, probably we might bridle these thugs.
But I guess we might not going to see that, as these thugs don't look to be targeting influential people but poor small users.
You would be better off creating a new account and following the 'rules'. This is all community driven, and if you behave, nothing will happen. It's not so hard.
They should downvote the post they think plagiarized not all those incoming pay-out posts.. They should consider that. If they had this AI Detector, I think they should calibrate it as well.HAHAHA..
If you are someone who have done plagiarism once, you can do it again. Thats why they have a the blacklist, its so they can check a username against the database too see if its the first time or multiply time x)
I have said this before. Just because someone recommends something it doesn't mean you value their advice. Where is the feed on the front-ends that allows me to ignore votes from a list off accounts I disagree with? Even add more priority to those that are down-voted by such? I just noticed peakd has an option to ignore the comments that poster ignores. That's the direction of a user feature.
If this feed needs to be developed, we could call it the Streisand Feed.
You can't be downvoted on neoxian, proofofbrain and vyb Frontends for the reason u r backlisted by HW.
Hive is decentralized. Project like leofinance also ignores spamminator list. Many layer 2 solutions are possible and hive technology is the finest I have ever seen. We all need to find new answers to same questions.
Hivewatchers was once weaponized against me, because I disagreed with one of their members.
I publicly shamed the person, who did it.
I was taken off the list the next day.
They enforce rules arbitrarily against people they dislike.
Even most obvius scammers, will act like they 'didn't do nothing'.
I tried fighting tag abuse here on hive and after the 3rd discussion, I was so annoyed that I just started flagging without even commenting.
I kind of get it why they behave that way, but they need to be checked.
It's a nasty business.
While I agree they are unfair, rude and unprofessional and an embarrassment to the community I will say, this is not the way to fight being downvoted. It always ends in rage quitting other people getting sucked into the argument and worse.
You would likely to do better by sucking it up, and just keep on posting.
As long as the large whale accounts (only takes 2) support them, there is just really not much you can do and that is simply dpos in action.
Good Luck and sorry to see another fun account on it's way out.
You are right but for how long you could continue to struggle!
I mean why wouldn't people want to start their own online blogs rather than see these thugs targeting them.
I was downvoted for months and just kept on posting and ignoring and eventually it dies away.
I've never seen the drama approach do much but escalate the problem. Not telling you how to act, but I am saying sometimes one just has to except the pros with the cons.
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Or they could create an alternative to HW, but people just seem to want to whine xD
Or like me, rather than whining, one can just get less and less interested in Hive and participating. I love the community, but with all the wild rules, selectively enforced, our numbers stay low and eventually you realize everyone is writing plastic little essays trying not to offend or challenge any of the gate keepers. Perhaps that is one reason Hive never really takes off.
But there are likely other contributing factors as well.
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In all honesty, I have never heard about them until a week or so ago. When I also was flagged and downvoted. But for what I saw. I really did not understand their principles and how do they go about their "watching" 🤔 good there are more people talking about it
We have now a discord group to talk about this and how can we counter their vicious attacks on poor users being sort of enslaved and begging them to stop.
We might also go after these thugs who are part of the Hivewatcher team in order to neutralize them.
So, join the server.
I think that is awesome. But in all honesty, unfortunately they have the HP to do whatever they want and silence whoever come for them even before anyone can make any difference. And since no other projects or people with actual HP strong power is behing affected. I feel that it is a lost battle even before get started. :( another big problem is that I have been here for enough time (the very beginning) to know that there are a lot of people in the community, specially hive users with higher HP thaylt probably agree with their point of view :(
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HP is the key they hold to bully others & of course draining the DHF too ;)
$WINE
What are your views about burn tokens to get votes? Is it vote selling or an evolved version of bidbots back in action.
This question is related to "HP is the key they hold", burn tokens to get votes is a way to gather hp. "draining the DHF", it's not just about DHF but how hive is evolving with time.
(I am not a part of HW)
burn doesn't mean they get a vote. If we accept it & if no HW blacklisted member (we check with HW Blacklist too), we place a vote & curator will follow that lead. If that happen, tokens burn, otherwise it will refund.
I think most of curation projects are following the same lead. We added a token to that simple mechanism. That's all.
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Well, I was blacklisted a month and a half or two months after I opened my hive account. It was for 4 lines of crap I put in to add historical context to my travels. I'm a writer, and sometimes I take notes in my notebook or my cell phone of some places I visit so I can later review them and write about it or I can write my own stories. As I was writing about something I visited some time ago I didn't remember what was mine and what the tour guide had said. It turned out that those 4 lines I wrote just as the tour guide said, were written the same as on another website I don't know about.
Personally, I think that if I wanted to have plagiarized something I would have made the whole post plagiarized, not 4 lines over 3000 words in a post, where the photos were mine and the rest of the text as well.
However it doesn't matter if you are new or clumsy on the platform, because they gave me the punishment of writing 60 posts for my appeal, which I am still fulfilling.
The problem is not the spaminator bot, which only removes an annoying, but small percentage of quantity. The problem is people like meritocrazy, samuraiscam, and others who follow the voting trail of this bot and downvote you by removing large percentages of your post without even checking why you are blacklisted and without checking that since that post for which you were blacklisted, you have not made the same mistake again.
I think that since neoxian made the post there was a before and after, at least with users who wrote some post with artificial intelligence. Now they get a warning first before being blacklisted. I didn't get any warning and it didn't matter that I was a new user. I would like that, in their work, they include that first warning for all people, even more if they are new users, because otherwise they take away the desire to continue posting.
And people who follow spaminator's downvote trail, if you downvote me, let it be for some objective reason that you didn't like something (because everyone is free to vote or downvote what they want) but not simply because someone is blacklisted. It's very annoying that they don't check beyond the why and shit on your work and the time you spent in making a 100% genuine post.
I don't see it as fair, in my opinion. But I live in Spain and I have my job with which I pay my house and my bills, and in hive I found a place to write and have some extra. But there are people from other countries that maybe have nothing and they are screwing them by taking like 5 or 10 hives in every post. I think it's not the way, that's my humble opinion.
Yep. They are more like enslaving poor users.
For example 😔
This is such an articulate argument, it could have been a post in itself
Thank u very much 😊
Your explanation already represents other victims on this platform, including me. We have been victims of people who gain power, but do not use that power intelligently and carefully.
Just like you, I also work as a writer (and journalist) in Indonesia. We understand copyright, plagiarism, and so on. But on this platform, one or two people using bots, have taken a heavy toll on issues they don't understand. Thank you very much @ayneblood.
Of course, the background of his action is very good, because it is not fair that someone earns money by plagiarizing others, but I think that it is possible to differentiate a lot who did it intentionally and who did not. That is why I think that it is fair, just as now they are first notifying those who use AI to write, they warn them before putting them on the list, the fair thing would be to do the same for everyone else, I think. There will be someone who may fall into the same mistake again, but others like me, no.
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If you don't like how things are managed in the hive, buy more hive and power it up.
Selling, especially at a loss, only feeds into their hands.
Somehow that sounds right
But I guess you were the one there I talked to in Hivewatcher group.
Yes.
This is how the game is, for the disfavored.
What exactly is meant by exclusive writing? I don't understand why I get a warning for never posting someone else's article. As a writer and journalist since 1994, I know about copyright, plagiarism and respect for the hard work of others.
And I never do plagiarism. My posts on the Hive platform, I always prioritize. My content is mostly about news. After I posted on Hive, then I posted it where I work, at Kabartamiang.com and news.unimal.ac.id. The last media that I mentioned is internal campus media which has no economic interest.
So posting on Hive remains a priority. Is it wrong and not justified after posting on Hive, then posting in Indonesian on other platforms? Is that an error here?
Please explain @Hivewatcher
They probably don't qualify for that. They look to have less knowledge about it. These thugs only know about downvoting. The self policing they have. And I still am not able to understand how @hive.fund are funding these thugs.
I and some of the victims of thugs have already been present on this platform. We are people of integrity and understand copyright regulation. Executing creator content without warning and explanation is unjust. I also don't understand why executors like this get one-click power under God.
Thank you for taging me , i just give up hive also others account that you mentioned like @galaktica and @arcana007 and @vision12 all they give up hive i even got blacklist .so i said bye to hive at once
Good luck for you guys
There is no one on the Hive blog that speaks the truth. Hivewatchers do not have to invest 500 dollars. Downvoting the downloads with the renters. And silencing the one who says. That's unfair to me. The third person is how they are ruling and deceiving us. The third person is how they are ruling and deceiving us. I have come this far after working day and night and spending money but the way they have treated me is pathetic. I have been struggling to post one a day for a year now. Finally Al is blacklisting complaints about usage. I complained to @hive.fund. Thanks @decoding
Yeah... Speak about it.
Join the server on discord
You might have made a better case if you hadn't quoted world travel pro. The man's a proven liar and buffoon
Well.. He's just one case.
There are a bunch of other users as well to see.
The people you speak against are bigman many HP owners. How can we small users protest with them. I think the authorities are hostage to them.
At least we can speak
Grumbling is OK, but @world-travel-pro shouldn't be part of your argument, he's a world class idiot and went about destroying his own reputation.
If we could have users like yourself with some influence in the platform speaking against the enslavement of poor users by Hivewatcher, probably we might bridle these thugs.
But I guess we might not going to see that, as these thugs don't look to be targeting influential people but poor small users.
You would be better off creating a new account and following the 'rules'. This is all community driven, and if you behave, nothing will happen. It's not so hard.
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No system is perfect. But this is for some reason apperently the best we got at the moment :)
Instead of this bitching and whining, you could make your own project aiming to remove abuse on hive a better way that Hivewatchers are doing.
Ask the poor users who are being attacked viciously.
I am not saying they are perfect. They make mistakes and fuck up.
But whats the alternative at the moment for abuse? Hmm. None?
So we can all just sit back and bitch and whine and do nothing or do something about it. Create a better system/project and get funding :)
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They should downvote the post they think plagiarized not all those incoming pay-out posts.. They should consider that. If they had this AI Detector, I think they should calibrate it as well.HAHAHA..
It depends.
If you are someone who have done plagiarism once, you can do it again. Thats why they have a the blacklist, its so they can check a username against the database too see if its the first time or multiply time x)
Yeah I know, they are just doing their jobs, no hate..
I have said this before. Just because someone recommends something it doesn't mean you value their advice. Where is the feed on the front-ends that allows me to ignore votes from a list off accounts I disagree with? Even add more priority to those that are down-voted by such? I just noticed peakd has an option to ignore the comments that poster ignores. That's the direction of a user feature.
If this feed needs to be developed, we could call it the Streisand Feed.
But I guess you could still be downvoted. Isn't it?
You can't be downvoted on neoxian, proofofbrain and vyb Frontends for the reason u r backlisted by HW.
Hive is decentralized. Project like leofinance also ignores spamminator list. Many layer 2 solutions are possible and hive technology is the finest I have ever seen. We all need to find new answers to same questions.
(I am not a part of HW team)
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Hi there @decoding
I don't know why are you tagging me in your posts. Please, untag me from your future posts, thanks.
I thought you are also one of the victims of Hivewatcher downvotes.
Hivewatchers was once weaponized against me, because I disagreed with one of their members.
I publicly shamed the person, who did it.
I was taken off the list the next day.
They enforce rules arbitrarily against people they dislike.
Even most obvius scammers, will act like they 'didn't do nothing'.
I tried fighting tag abuse here on hive and after the 3rd discussion, I was so annoyed that I just started flagging without even commenting.
I kind of get it why they behave that way, but they need to be checked.
It's a nasty business.