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RE: Hive Proposal Costs per Active User
As @themarkymark explained, its not cut and dry.
For example, I have a tool not currently available to the public till I find the time to register a domain, set up a webserver for it and publish it but what it does is look at your followers and tell you if they are active within a filtered time period you can choose and active means posted or voted on something - anything that can be seen in a block on the chain as them basically pressing a button.
I had to add a disclaimer to it that reads as follows:
"Keep in mind not all users post or vote, so they may be "alive" but not "active" on Hive."
Evident by users like myself, who didn't post in over 2 years, but I have an account, and sometimes came and just read things without taking any action at all. And posting things since I came back, has prompted contacts from many such dormant users citing they too have been merely lurking but not participating for lengthy periods ranging from months to years themselves.
Using your own profile as an example. your profile header on PeakD cites that you have 6636 followers watching your blog. That's a social media win if they're "real" followers.... for sure!
BUT
If I put your name into my tool, it looks like this:
so first we see that my tool gets a different number by checking the followers on your account via a different RPC node than PeakD uses. Little differences like this can be confusing and it is not entirely clear why they exist anyway, other than things like node sync timing and the code they use to make their numbers available and how, but they do.
Second we see that the number of these followers who filter out as having posted within the last month is only 538 of the 6K+ total.
And if I change the filter to "voted" - on a post or comment (child post) then it changes even more to 889 active within a month. More people voted than posted, which probably makes sense. Some people never write, they only read and curate. And I don't account specifically for bots versus humans and voting trail accounts and stuff that do count as followers.
So not only is it an imprecise science, I can certainly assure you there are MANY users that could be considered 'valid' accounts that are just away, taking a break, or not posting or not voting or both. But they count as being part of the ecosystem. Such prominent names are even all sizes of wallets, ranging from someone like me who left for a while, and left an empty wallet but came back and got re-engaged, or big names like CrimsonClad who is clearly part of the system but didn't post for a year or TimCliff who is a stalwart OG but barely interacts with any frequency and so on. Or ranchorelaxo/haejin, a whale not seen in years but who suddenly surprised us by dropping big votes on one of Enginewitty's posts about our new witness coming online a couple days ago after being silent for a very long time. I'd have assumed him gone and many others as well, till they weren't...
So yeah, I tried to run @themarkymarks 14K followers but my site isn't setup for pagination on the results and it broke because the http payload of his followers data was too damn big :D I'll fix that later before I publish the tool for the public one day soon!
I hope this helps. Because my tool is just a reference, it cannot tell you the truth, because the chain can't handle the truth - in any succinct, certain infallible way anyhow. Too many variables in what defines a "user".
Defining an "active" user on Hive is akin to asking someone to answer "What is the number of stars in the sky". Do they count if we can't see them but they are there? I think they do.
Now this is cool and helpful and yeah I figured all of those were no real followers lol. For me "active" would be if they performed any action that touched the blockchain in a months time. But a more accurate could be six month time frame as some might just be collecting rewarding once in a while. Now of course there are people with mutli accounts which is rather hard to filter out as well. I have a few myself mainly as votes for alt tokens like neoxian or spt splinterlands blog token simply because there's not an effective way to get max curation rewards on those alt tokens otherwise.
This does help a lot and thank you for putting this together sircork!
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Yeah, as a content creator (or former content creator(still undecided)) here, you can tell much of the following is dead. Can feel it.
Many show up to create content, not consume content. So if they fail or lose interest, you also lose a follower.
Something else worth noting, and I'm sure this is common. I subscribe to several Youtube channels. I don't watch them all every day. Of course there, they do okay, because majority showed up to consume content rather than creating it.
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STOP THE ABUSE ON HIVE
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NO DOWNVOTES FOR MARKY MARK'S SELF VOTING !WEED
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[-]acidyo (82) 3 months ago
Haha at "I shouldn't make commercial" :D Maybe something to worry about when you have more youtube subscribers! Quite interesting content though, these things should get more subs on there and here.
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[-]gogreenbuddy (67) 3 months ago
Yeah thought that was funny too
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HE MAKES CURATION REWARDS WITH ALL HIS ALT ACCOUNTS BURNING TOKENS LIKE THIS DOES NOT TAKE OLD TOKENS IT MINTS NEW ONES AND BURNS THEM
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cwow stop the drink and drugs
Stop supporting the fake Hive police who do nothing but exploit Hive
Many people on Hive will never get to spend any of their Hive as it may become illegal in certain countries
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lol the Marky mark keeps dreaming
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It's crucial to seek help. Continual dishonesty can erode trust and your mental health. Downvotes do not have an impact on us, but our consistent sharing of accurate information is key to us.
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[-]themarkymark (80) yesterday (edited)
Farming? Show me where I am farming, I post like one post a month at this point, and all buildawhale is burned. As you say transactions don’t lie. And don't say curation rewards, I'd get those no matter what I vote on and if you expect I will be the only person on this blockchain to forfeit curation rewards, you are dumber than we know you are.
https://hive.blog/hive-167922/@bpcvoter1/seq7ok
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https://hive.blog/hive-193084/@bpcvoter1/response-2-to-themarkymark-marcus-buildawhale-usainvote-ipomote-leovoter-gogreenbuddy-and-over-100-of-his-alt-accounts
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21 hours ago in LeoFinance by themarkymark (80)
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https://hive.blog/life/@anomadsoul/re-gogreenbuddy-seqf1p
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Response 4 to themarkymark marcus, buildawhale usainvote ipomote leovoter gogreenbuddy, and over 100 of his alt accounts
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cwow stop the drink and drugs
Can't you see the problems on Hive?
Hive dropping to $0.000
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LOL
It seems like THEMARKYMARK is dealing with some personal drama and mental issues, which might be causing them to spam us and others with baby pics, GIFs, and questionable content he's been doing the same for years. The fun doesn't stop there, as this seems to be a recurring theme with multiple online personas. The real question is, do we want to trust these drama-magnets with our hard-earned funds or any significant influence on Hive?
On Hive a significant issue exists with automatic upvotes consistently rewarding the same individuals day in and day out
We want to address the issue of downvoting. It has caused pain to many people, and we want to make sure it doesn't happen again reply to @jacobtothe
On Hive a significant issue exists with automatic upvotes consistently rewarding the same individuals day in and day out
We hope that those who genuinely care about Hive will reconsider their actions, as continuing down this path could inadvertently harm innocent users who are unaware of these issues
lol the Marky mark keeps dreaming
Marks dream
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themarkymark (80)in FreeCompliments • 2 days ago
No.
I downvote spammers, you are a spammer, you get no monies. It’s very simple.
In the meantime go get some help. You obviously have some issues going on.
2 days ago in FreeCompliments by themarkymark (80)$0.00
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[-]bpcvoter1 (-4)(1) yesterday · Will be hidden due to low rating
GET HELP
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[-]themarkymark (80) 4 hours ago
I have a personal chef, maid, and a captain for my yacht. What other help do I need?
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